Just remove healers.

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Originally Posted by Shuuli

People can play AST and tell me its mind numbing.... I want to see how many actual AST players will come out and say that.

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I mean, I'm not like... a top of the line expert, greatest most-bestest player by any means, but, some people are way too intimidated by the cards. It's just a multi-step process to produce a singular effect with the smallest amount of nuance, which can easily be consolidated into a single button press if this iteration is really the optimized direction of the cards. So, really, it's just more annoying than it will ever be actually difficult, and I can't rightly call it engaging, although it's at least somewhat more regularly engaging than it could be if reduced to 1 button. But redundant is the better word for the current iteration of cards.
Same with healing in general. I press a lot of buttons, but after I sweep my cooldowns to squeeze as much fun out of this as possible (I'm not the greatest AND I like all the stars and sparkles, plus I'm the type who pushes the rind into the juicer to pop every last little pulp), I go right back into single button spams.

So, I guess, yeah, it's mind-numbing in the sense that it's just boring.

The finest examples of Dunning-Kruger on these forums, all jumping on the OP without even attempting to understand what's being said, is the chef's kiss of this thread.

As an ex-Healer main, I'd rather they axed Healers than continue down the path they've gone down. Going from juggling upwards of 5 DoTs, micromanaging a pet and having a plethora of tools that had synergy with the class to having nothing to manage at all to a point even savage content doesn't require a healer half the time.

I'll remember the role for when it was fun but I wouldn't wish for the boredom that Healers have become on anyone.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

The finest examples of Dunning-Kruger on these forums, all jumping on the OP without even attempting to understand what's being said, is the chef's kiss of this thread.

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Everyone understood what he was trying to say. We are just calling the idea stupid.

I agree, just delete them from existence at this point. If they're going to keep taking massive dumps on the class lore and keep making them more boring and bloated, its best to just remove them entirely. Revert the class quests to their earliest versions and just make it optional questing you can do for fun, that way we get to keep our lore, at least.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Everyone understood what he was trying to say. We are just calling the idea stupid.

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I see this and can only think of DPS that can't be bothered to use 2nd Wind/Bloodbath/etc and want to be babysat by a healer rather than handle their own health. Senseless whining about having to work harder is all it is.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

It would take minor changes to the defensive toolkits of DPS jobs to facilitate the removal of healers - But to facilitate the removal of tanks, you'd have to rebuild almost all of the game's content.

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Originally Posted by Martynek

As I already stated, the encounter design of the game does not necessitate the existence of a dedicated healer. With very minor changes to the defensive toolkits of DPS jobs, healers would become entirely obsolete.

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Ok, let's talk about "cleanse mecanics", Healer check from 1 Hp to full in order to avoid the "Doom" killing you, or just Raid busters following them. P3S as exemple with the 1-2-4 doom kill WITH healing debuff that will most likely kill you because of the huge AoE Damage you'll get right after it, or even fountain of fire where you take 99% HP three time in a row ? But yeah, you don't need healer to go through all of this. P4S is the same when you have 4 double share to do with a huge Raid buster a few second later, you don't heal... And you can find more of those mecanics, even on lower level content. (Saying you only do that unsync because you're 90 isn't an argument, because those mecanics existed before and will probably come again). And like you said for tanks, if you wish the removal of healers you'll need to rework the entire game, which will not happen. And just doing some minor defensive change on DPS will not make healer obsolete. Second winds doesn't even heal for 10k no crit (almost 15% heal) with 2 minute CD and Bloodbath, even if it's effective in some way, got a 90 sec CD, which is clearly not enough...

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Originally Posted by Martynek

I never advocated the removal of any one job, but the role in its entirety. You can keep playing White Mage, Scholar, Astrologian, Sage... they just won't be healers that are forced into parties that do not want them.

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That's even worse than removing a class. You are just going to relinquish them into Caster DPS, and then what ? Did you solve anything ? Instead you create even more trouble. Healer's are asking for changes, not removal.

And Parties who don't want healer ? Excuse me but that's must be a minority of player (And by that I mean that the numbers must be near insignificant considering the number of player on the game). If you don't want to accept healer in your party, that's your problem, don't try to make people accept unrealistic idea based on nothing more than a poor experience (Because just saying that you don't feel the "damage" doesn't mean it's not there). And as I said, If you wish to play a game without healers, you can just go try another game, some Korean P2W game have those design.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Everyone understood what he was trying to say. We are just calling the idea stupid.

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Don't worry, you'll have enough time to hit an oGCD Recuperate between your Shiten spam now that Kaiten is gone.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

I see this and can only think of DPS that can't be bothered to use 2nd Wind/Bloodbath/etc and want to be babysat by a healer rather than handle their own health. Senseless whining about having to work harder is all it is.

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Say this to any caster, they don't have this. RDM Got Vercure ? Yeah, lucky for him, the Medicine from SMN is complete crap and BLM doesn't even have something to heal. Sooooooo BLM is a babysat class, according to your logic

*sigh* nobody knows what using small exaggerations to make a point is anymore.

This is a classic case of the phrase "shit or get off the pot". The suggestion that we "delete healers" is one of the two extremes in this phrase. Healers have been sitting on the metaphorical toilet for a long time. Having abilities culled. Being made more boring. And more boring. And more boring. And requiring less healing. With less interesting healing tools. We've reached the point where normal healer gameplay is needing to cast one boring healing spell a minute, then return to spamming one boring spell for the remainder of that minute.

If you're not going to make them more interesting, and the direction the design team seems hellbent on traveling is toward Even More Boring, then enter the point-illustrating hyperbole: why not just delete them? You could replace the role with a -very- simplistic script in most content. Making them more interesting would be fantastic! But the dev team really wants to keep them this boring. And if something is this boring, why does it exist again? This is a game, and games are supposed to be fun right?