They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

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Originally Posted by Klytania

Kind of like locking a group based on iL. Should that be removed too?

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Actually, yeah that would be a good idea. Too many people abuse it and put requirements that are way higher than they need to be. You don't need 590+ ilvl to farm Zodiark EX, people were farming it comfortably before that level of gear was even out.

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Originally Posted by Oopsy

ilvl is something you can achieve by completing more tasks.
DPS is something based of a large number of variables that possible could be affected by luck of the draw... Incase you didn't know Crits are a not guaranteed, some AOE/Boss targeting is random. A player could just be having a bad day... Or maybe a class is a bit unbalanced, Or or or...

When starting out a group maybe someone really is a little on the bad side... but if you give them a chance they can improve. IF you never give them a chance or hint, well too bad...

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100% this. the ones crying for ACT don't understand all the bullying that would occur as a direct result of endorsing parses as a measurement for competency in raids/trials. Noooooo thank you. I much prefer having a game where new players can pick up a savage trial and actually learn it, instead of being treated like trash because they havent memorized every single detail of a fight for maximum dps upkeep.

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The content is designed and tested to be completed without it.

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I will also restate what we all know to be a fact, Yoshi plays it ALL. Their internal testing is second to none. There is no need for a parser, the content is tested rigorously and that testing proves their stance.

WOW's dependence and overuse / abuse of parsers has seen their playerbase labelled correctly as one of the most toxic and abusive in the gaming industry. It is not needed, it is not wanted, it is not of any use whatsoever, to put it bluntly, the potential for abuse / misuse is far greater than any so called 'benefit" it "might" provide.

I, for one, agree absolutely with the team's assessment on the matter.

This matter has been hashed and rehashed a dozen times over, the answer is no, it will continue to be NO.

Whether you agree or not is immaterial. You have your answer.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

ESO lets you hide your information. Don't see how anything would change from how it is now i.e: If you berate someone over dps performance you find yourself in the Gaol.

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Opt-out systems don't work well, FFLogs already does this and opting out of that is seen as a mark of shame. Overwatch tried opt-out when they hid player profiles to combat toxicity, but found they had to make it opt-in to show information instead, to prevent opting out from being a mark of shame for players and a new source of harassment.

Somehow I doubt the game would change much if they added a personal dps meter with NO ability to see other group members and make it well known 1 offence of harassment and your suspended. Unfortunately yoshi P has been against dps meters and we must default to his ultimate wisdom....

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FFLogs already does this and opting out of that is seen as a mark of shame.

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Had a player here go digging for my logs and made a snide remark when he saw Id hidden that data. Exactly why this person had gone looking for it despite that fact I was...

Not in his FC.
Not in his static.
Had never applied to BE in his static and will never do so.

..was never explained.

Its a tactic called armoury shaming, and is used to personally attack people rather than actually address the point raised.

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Originally Posted by forsakee

Somehow I doubt the game would change much if they added a personal dps meter with NO ability to see other group members and make it well known 1 offence of harassment and your suspended. Unfortunately yoshi P has been against dps meters and we must default to his ultimate wisdom....

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it would change drastically because the "elite" players would begin putting immense peer pressure on players to reveal their dps numbers and reject anyone who doesnt meet their lofty standards. it creates a very toxic environment and it's something the devs flat out refuse to introduce into the game they've worked so hard to pull from the fire.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

it would change drastically because the "elite" players would begin putting immense peer pressure on players to reveal their dps numbers and reject anyone who doesnt meet their lofty standards. it creates a very toxic environment and it's something the devs flat out refuse to introduce into the game they've worked so hard to pull from the fire.

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It's almost like you ignored the entire 2ed part of my post...... 0 tolerance policy and no one is going to speak up and if they do plenty of people will report that individual.
I'd also be fine with limiting it to savage/ultimate only

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

100% this. the ones crying for ACT don't understand all the bullying that would occur as a direct result of endorsing parses as a measurement for competency in raids/trials. Noooooo thank you. I much prefer having a game where new players can pick up a savage trial and actually learn it, instead of being treated like trash because they havent memorized every single detail of a fight for maximum dps upkeep.

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There is an unbelievably easy fix to this, though. Make it against the rules to ask for DPS numbers or discriminate based on them, ban people who do, boom problem solved. You know, what they already do, and why no one asks for dps numbers from the ALREADY AVAILABLE tools...

If it's only personal, and then on top only active in Savage/Ultimate and at training dummies, fine.

But for the sake of baby kittens, it must not be available in anything EX and lower. I've lost count of the times that people are calling others out in a normal mode dungeon. Seriously. It really doesn't matter if the Ninja is doing less than the WHM in Aurum Vale.