Why not a warning?

The warning was the lodestone post. Everyone ignored it but that was the warning that they were stepping up enforcement.

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Originally Posted by Xiu_Ye

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response?

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In the grand scheme of things, a 10 day ban is nothing. A streamer was caught publicly using tools that have been clearly stated as being against the ToS. SE needed, and continue to need to, give punishments of significance to show how serious they really are about this.

For context; singling someone out and disciplining them in public is a HUGE faux-pas in Japan. That they very publicly banned a Japanese player mid-stream is of much more significance than most Westerners realize.

People who get pissed off that someone violating the ToS gets caught and has to deal with the repercussions of his actions is of no consequence in the matter. SE have to hand out punishments when they catch people breaking the ToS and in this case, they did it in a big way. The message is loud and clear.

It's against the rules, he got caught, and has to live with the result of his choice. I have no sympathy for the guy.

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Originally Posted by Xiu_Ye

This is on its face not true. If you get pulled into gaol and then told why, and you continue the behavior then you getting a ban is not something anyone can complain about. Thats not the case here and there is no evidence to think people would ignore a warning like that.

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but years of warnings in live letters and posting by Yoshi saying "dont use 3rd party addons" isnt warning enough? apparently a lot of people DID ignore those. The ToS saying "dont use 3rd party software" isnt enough of a warning?

I understand you are in the camp of "well they said not to do it for years, but this is the first time they caught me so it should just be a GM visit and I am scott free" but I think a suspension is a firmer version of "dont do this" since verbal warnings, written warning have not been enough. a vacation does tend to ensure compliance. which is why I think they need to start banning gil buyers, do that enough times and the sellers will not be selling that much, and the number of bots decrease. banning brings the tenuous nature of your connection to your game account to the forefront.. a chat with a GM does not.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

but years of warnings in live letters and posting by Yoshi saying "dont use 3rd party addons" isnt warning enough? apparently a lot of people DID ignore those. The ToS saying "dont use 3rd party software" isnt enough of a warning?

I understand you are in the camp of "well they said not to do it for years, but this is the first time they caught me so it should just be a GM visit and I am scott free" but I think a suspension is a firmer version of "dont do this" since verbal warnings, written warning have not been enough. a vacation does tend to ensure compliance. which is why I think they need to start banning gil buyers, do that enough times and the sellers will not be selling that much, and the number of bots decrease. banning brings the tenuous nature of your connection to your game account to the forefront.. a chat with a GM does not.

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There were warnings, sure, but very little action. Two wrongs never make a right, but in my opinion, SE is more at fault here than the player base. Don't make warnings if you don't have the balls to back them up, I say. They let this situation get out of hand.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

There were warnings, sure, but very little action. Two wrongs never make a right, but in my opinion, SE is more at fault here than the player base. Don't make warnings if you don't have the balls to back them up, I say. They let this situation get out of hand.

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I think the problem is they didn't want to have to get heavy handed, but in the last year things have gotten more and more excessive with people flouting their mods and plug-ins in SE and the publics faces.


Like, everyone knows raiders use act. But people used to hide it a lot more. Now we've got people stream g with plug-ins, ui mods, and all sorts of modifications all over in plain site.


Like... They did this to themselves, and this is a case of thinking nothing would happen because "reasons"

Real talk, this doesn't change anything for your average player. Just don't stream and don't send pictures of your programs to people you don't trust and you're fine.

Edit: Or, just don't display the plugins on stream. ACT doesn't *have* to display the overlay, after all.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

People getting banned because of mass reports abuse and im sure they are lying in their reports. Those people should get 10 day ban too.

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That's like saying put all the cops in jail as well

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Originally Posted by Xiu_Ye

This is not true. A ban is a punishment not a warning.

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A punishment and a warning to the one getting the ban.
A warning to everyone else that breaking rules can have real consequences - and that warning was probably the real point they wanted to make.

Because a warning doesn't serve the public purpose of telling the player base that plugins/addons being openly displayed and used is no longer something that they are going to be applying a grey area to. Thats why. They have made examples publicly to show what is the outcome of using mods/plugins publicly.

This is very clearly a warning to the playerbase to stop, and shut up about these things if you use them.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

but years of warnings in live letters and posting by Yoshi saying "dont use 3rd party addons" isnt warning enough? apparently a lot of people DID ignore those. The ToS saying "dont use 3rd party software" isnt enough of a warning?

I understand you are in the camp of "well they said not to do it for years, but this is the first time they caught me so it should just be a GM visit and I am scott free" but I think a suspension is a firmer version of "dont do this" since verbal warnings, written warning have not been enough. a vacation does tend to ensure compliance. which is why I think they need to start banning gil buyers, do that enough times and the sellers will not be selling that much, and the number of bots decrease. banning brings the tenuous nature of your connection to your game account to the forefront.. a chat with a GM does not.

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This is a misunderstanding of my position and the totality of communication. The communication hasn't been strictly "THIS IS AGAINST RULES DO NOT DO IT" its been much softer to the point of the takeaway being: "Don't harass people, don't actively advertise it, and we will leave you alone"