Remove all Rewards from Losing in Frontlines

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

The biggest problem with this generation of gamers (or the public in general) is the blaming of someone else for doing something wrong or not having a moral conscious. SE made it easy to get rewards while I do nothing, so guess I'm jump on the blame train.

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What? Dude - what are your even babbling about? Look, this is very simple - in order to get the most out of your daily roulette you must do frontline, which is pvp, a mode of play many are not interested in but do because they don't want to spend more time in roulettes than necessary, what with their usually limited time. As a result, pvp gets many who don't care to try their best, and this seems to annoy some of those who actually enjoys pvp. The choice to enforce pvp if you want full xp daily is a choice square made, and they are 100% to blame for any negative sides this has. Its not about generations, heck, I bet I'm older than you. This is very simple, you are not being woke, and there is zero need to derail this thread with societal talk. Go post on reddit.

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

What? Dude - what are your even babbling about? Look, this is very simple - in order to get the most out of your daily roulette you must do frontline, which is pvp, a mode of play many are not interested in but do because they don't want to spend more time in roulettes than necessary, what with their usually limited time. As a result, pvp gets many who don't care to try their best, and this seems to annoy some of those who actually enjoys pvp. The choice to enforce pvp if you want full xp daily is a choice square made, and they are 100% to blame for any negative sides this has. Its not about generations, heck, I bet I'm older than you. This is very simple, you are not being woke, and there is zero need to derail this thread with societal talk. Go post on reddit.

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This is such a weird take. People do all roulettes daily? You don't need that many poetics. Not saying you do this.



Why would as a "decent" human being que for something that you could get elsewhere and actively make the people around you miserable. I would never que for MSQ pre changes. It was horrible content. I can do hunts, fates, maps, other roulettes, speed run dungeons. XP is so easy to get if you "need" pvp to lvl pretty sad excuse for player. Just buy a bot or skip then. If you are there to work on random achievements you need wins anyway so you would be trying at least.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

This is such a weird take. People do all roulettes daily? You don't need that many poetics. Not saying you do this.



Why would as a "decent" human being que for something that you could get elsewhere and actively make the people around you miserable. I would never que for MSQ pre changes. It was horrible content. I can do hunts, fates, maps, other roulettes, speed run dungeons. XP is so easy to get if you "need" pvp to lvl pretty sad excuse for player. Just buy a bot or skip then. If you are there to work on random achievements you need wins anyway so you would be trying at least.

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Because if you have limited time, which many do, you'd want to get as much progeess out of it as you can. Also your reply kinda looks ignorant, why would you run dungeons for the same xp as you get from frontline roulette when you can do the roulette in a much shorter time for the same xp? People have lives, and none of us get to judge how they spend the time they have to game. The fact that you can get so much xp from frontline roulette is why it always have people. And most want their xp so they can wrap up their dailies, and pulling that out from under them because they were not lucky enough to be on the winning team is something you'd have to be insane to support. If they axed frontline from roulette, then we'd see the population who does it severly diminished and square would be forced to either fix the shit in it or leave it dead. Most who play it don't give a shit about winning because Square made the horizontal objective about participating, you cannot reasonably blame the players for this, nor can you punish them over a loss they can't control.

Also, since I bet it needs clarifying, IF frontline got removed from roulettes the other roulettes would need a reward buff to compensate. The idea is NOT to punish people who don't take a niche gamemode that they are being pushed to do seriously.
The idea is to make it so that those who are just doing it for xp and those who play to win don't have to share space.

It is an excelent idea to remove it all, you got to put in efford and would attract people who want to pvp other than people who just want easy XP all the way to lvl90, without doing an effort.

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Because if you have limited time, which many do, you'd want to get as much progeess out of it as you can. Also your reply kinda looks ignorant, why would you run dungeons for the same xp as you get from frontline roulette when you can do the roulette in a much shorter time for the same xp? People have lives, and none of us get to judge how they spend the time they have to game. The fact that you can get so much xp from frontline roulette is why it always have people. And most want their xp so they can wrap up their dailies, and pulling that out from under them because they were not lucky enough to be on the winning team is something you'd have to be insane to support. If they axed frontline from roulette, then we'd see the population who does it severly diminished and square would be forced to either fix the shit in it or leave it dead. Most who play it don't give a shit about winning because Square made the horizontal objective about participating, you cannot reasonably blame the players for this, nor can you punish them over a loss they can't control.

Also, since I bet it needs clarifying, IF frontline got removed from roulettes the other roulettes would need a reward buff to compensate. The idea is NOT to punish people who don't take a niche gamemode that they are being pushed to do seriously.
The idea is to make it so that those who are just doing it for xp and those who play to win don't have to share space.

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You and people like you don't get it. Frontlines was active pre xp. If xp was gone we would go back to pre 4.0 participation. That is why others are comfortable asking for the loser to get nothing. They remember what the mode was. Lot's of people actually remember HW's PvP fondly. With the few changes besides xp it wouldn't be the end of the world.



Limited time doesn't give you a pass for being bad/miserable at optional content and inflicting your "playstyle" on others. I stand by you are bad at the game if you are so desperate for XP you have to do stuff you don't enjoy and inflict your attitude on others. Pay for a skip and be done with it. Time is so precious you want to make others miserable? And a large portion of xp only people are so dumb. Be quiet and play the mode and leave. Don't whine for 10 mins, do nothing, and let me vote kick 2 mins before match is over.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

I'm pretty sure that you still have very few that afks in or near home base as well. It doesnt change the fact that it's gotten easier to kill. You're better off worrying about yourself and leading with the damage dealing if you're looking for wins. Worrying about how the other players does isn't going to change the amount of RNG that's currently there.

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I won't argue the amount of RNG. What I argue is the amount of people that join and don't "try" as they are just there for XP or an easy carry towards whatever goal they have in the mode.