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Originally Posted by SilverSp
There is a distinct difference in our way of thinking. First that math is wrong. Second you cant join an FC to enjoy housing, make your own room, or buy an appartment to fully enjoy housing? You need and must have your own private large estate? You are the one using words like unworthy and entitlement. Chances are the ones with houses are playing an aspect of the game more then others so we csn use your logic and compare housing to mount grinding, titles, pvp rank, raid gear, and more. Not everyone plays a game for the same reason.This was originally to show appreciation to those people who were calm and patient with SE to fix what happened with the lottery.
Originally this was to thank people who were patient and didn't flame SE who were actively looking to fix the issue but this has turn into something else entirely now. It's kind of surprising people aren't happy about a lottery system once it's all up and fixed. Some people lost but that's how a lottery works. The bug should fix the zero issue so those who got the bug no longer lost. Is showing appreciation to people who stayed calm and patiently waited for SE to fix the issue rubbing their noses in it or insensitive or is going at SE and Yoshi P for trying their best to appease everyone and fix the issue insensitive to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
The issue will be fixed correctly and in a very fair manner. Houses will be lotteries off agaib and in many more districts from relocations, and whenever the housing timer is unpaused more will cycle through the system. The community wanted a lotto system so here it is and it is fair
Your patience is rewarded
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04-19-2022, 10:20 AMBellBixbite
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04-19-2022, 10:46 AMOizenHousing Elitism is hilarious to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSp
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04-19-2022, 11:03 AMValfreyja
Patience. Perseverance. That makes them more worthy. At least prior to the lottery.
They are the people that camped out for dozens upon dozens of hours clicking on a placard to get their house. I should know. I did it. I have a friend that clicked for 12 hours or more at a time on several houses, before they got one. I clicked for hours on them.
When I finally got my house, it was because someone swooped in and relocated, and was kind enough to tell where their prior plot was. I then went to bed. I woke up at around the 8 hour mark, started clicking, and got it within two hours. Because I kept trying. I didn't sit and complain. I played the tedious bid game and it paid off.
Then I managed to relocate later on to a better plot. And again to the current Small I have.
I have a character on Balmung, where housing is as bad as it gets on Crystal. I woke up at 5am on 6.1 patch day when the new stuff opened. All so I could get an apartment on Balmung.
Did I win the lottery? Yeah I did. I have an FC I just started in January. Why? Because someone I trusted more than anyone in the world stabbed me in the back and stole my previous FC out from under me. I put my gil together so I could bid on a Mansion, something I have never had before. And one of those bids won.
Did I get it easy? Not at all. I checked all 18 wards on Wednesday and wrote down every bid count. I did it again on Friday to update. I used that data to look at the remaining plots with a single bid. I identified the plot that had the least amount of bids across all wards on my world. I identified the ward that had the least overall bids.
Where that data lined up, I made my bids. And I won. Because I did like everyone was doing before 6.1. I worked hard and I had patience.
Will that work for everyone? No. There isn't enough housing to go around. Instanced housing isn't going to work without increasing the costs. Is it fair? Not really, but you can't expect there to be one house for millions of characters in this game.
Can SE do things to fix this? Yes.
Will they do what is necessary to fix this? Probably not.
#1: All those grandfathered in with the change in Stormblood need to be made to relinquish their plots to the lottery. I don't care if they have maintained them all this time. Give them a refund for the cost.
#2: They need to start banning people exploiting the system. I've seen housing in Oceania where FCs are taking dozens of housing plots from mass transferring alts and FCs over to the server. But it's technically legal, so nothing will be done about it. Even if they are taking over entire wards.
#3: Hard rules and restrictions need to be put into place and enforced. No grandfathering anymore.
1 House per service account.
1 Apartment per world per service account. No more 1 apartment per character.
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04-19-2022, 11:59 AMCorvus_VQuote:
Originally Posted by BellBixbite
https://puu.sh/IVyAs/9087f40bfd.png
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I'm in full support of destroying every ward to make server space for instanced housing.
If that is the lie they need to tell us, then believe it.
I don't know any of my friends who want to RP as homeless people. No matter what you say is "fair" someone always gets the short end of the stick. Including the most recent change. That was me, because I was prepared for the housing upgrade and logged in first. Under normal circumstances, I'd have to say SoL to you, except I wouldn't because I'm not a jerk.
Instead, people should recognize this as evidence that almost no one wants to live in the smalls and argue for instanced housing instead, rather than considering this dumpster fire a necessary evil when it is more than likely purely an insane bueracratic decision made by SE. None of these wards should have been FC restricted, it shouldn't have been a retroactive ward change and they shouldn't have been lotteries either, for the sake of keeping "fairness" consistent to anyone who's decided to play the game from the start. No matter what you do you're being unfair to someone, unless you literally just give everyone the option to have a house. -
04-20-2022, 11:07 AMGreyhawkWhy do people still take photos of this shit and pass it on as proving their point, right in the middle of a huge bug in game that didn't allow those plots to be taken?Quote:
Originally Posted by Corvus_V
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04-20-2022, 11:09 AMCorvus_VBecause.. most of these plots aren't bugged? Nobody bid on them, because they are small. See the plot numbers? I can go down the list and show you "to prove my point" that somehow miraculously I guess all the small houses are "bugged" and all the medium and large plots have been consumed by FCs. This is what the FC wards look like. It does prove my point. That's why I posted it. I bought an FC house. The fact that they are FC limited is part of the issue, but in general everyone will be upset until they change how player housing can be distributed, which is again to say instanced housing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyhawk
The wards will be dead. The more wards they add, the more dead and empty they will become. The less larges and mediums available at all, the more annoyed everyone will be that there isn't instanced housing. -
04-20-2022, 11:14 AMGreyhawkThe FC wards DO look like that, because we couldn't get lottery results from at the end. There were only about 6 or so that were able to be purchased (at random), the rest of them are bugged - at least in my data center - and I bet it's not much different anywhere else. I've been to just about every one of them just in my ward where I put a bid in, and they are all showing no participants in the results, while also showing a number of participants on the placard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corvus_V
But continue the propaganda run, it will look much different once the results are able to be filled. :rolleyes:
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04-20-2022, 11:16 AMCorvus_VYou are on something if you think people want the smalls. You really are totally out of touch. The only reason most people wanted smalls in the first place was so that theyd have a chance to relocate to something bigger. The only way these housing wards will fill up is with shell FCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyhawk
https://i.imgur.com/1mNkLHH.gif
this is not due to a bug. look at the spots of the consumed houses. They are almost exclusively medium and large houses. Maybe YOU should stop with the propaganda; these are dead wards; and they'll more or less continue to be dead and/or filled with people who dont really want whatever is left, but just wanted to have a small in the off chance that they ever decide to get rid of the stupid lottery system. accusing me of looking out the window when its scenic does not change the fact that these are the houses people bid on and almost nothing else; knowing full well the smalls would not be gone even if they lost
here's a tip for you too lol
just so you could see that this is basically the exact thing people were worried about, this guy in particular just happened to have a shell FC already made 30 days prior. he wont be there chatting it up in shout chat.
https://puu.sh/IVKat/65cb51a90e.png
If you still need more, I can show you the player housing wards, which are filled up except for (surprise!) couple of small houses -
04-20-2022, 12:36 PMMasenkoBotting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valfreyja
Sorry.
Bots were rewarded.
Bots.
If you or a friend anecdotally decided that you should spend literal days of your life trying to beat a dozen script-running bots, then yes, you deserved to win that house in the same way that someone who was wrongfully convicted of a crime and sent to prison deserves compensation.
That person never should have had that happen to them, and neither should you, nor anyone else.