I would like to encourage everyone to keep providing the feedback YoshiP asked for.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Healers have given feedback for 6 years. Yoshi P doesn’t give a shit about them and he made it pretty clear.

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Lulz, SE never even asked healers for their feedback. Not that I'm aware of anyway. At least with SAM they said they are listening. But yeah, it's going to be a long road ahead for SAM

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I'm not sure how a large quantity of threads being made on the dps role forum could possibly overshadow healer threads. If anyone would want to complain about it, it'd be other DPS. But I don't see many NIN or MCH players coming into these threads and raising a stink about how their issues are being ignored.

That being said I think the main difference between healer feedback and samurai feedback in this case is that SAM players are pretty united in their feedback and what they want done, whereas healer feedback all kind of agrees that healer feels unfun and unsatisfying to play, every healer seems to have a completely different ideal about how to deal with that problem. Most Samurai players want is kaiten back and auto-crits removed, it's a lot easier to implement feedback when it's that clear and universal.

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While you are partially correct, there is one single motion that a majority of the healer mains have agreed on, and it’s more dps options, of which Yoshi P “addressed” and said they wouldn’t add more. Anywho though, i was mainly just addressing the person who made the comment of “sit back and watch how dps players get changes done” as if they have to work hard for it, when reality they’re the most pandered role.

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Originally Posted by Roxus

So what are you going to do? Give up? While there are more and more players speaking up for the first time, this is your best chance to give feedback that will reach them. I understand the healer gripes, I play them for fun as my side job. I disliked the fact that tanks and healers were left in serious states of disrepair throughout several expansions. I used to be one of those people that accepted it, talking in Discord with my static and friends in a joking manner that eventually everything is going to be taken from us. Consider trying to appeal once more.

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Am I going group to give up? Yes. I've wanted As to go back to how it was in SB and expac after expac it's gone south. No amount of complaining I do will fix it

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The thing is, it’s only all gaining traction now because it’s dps jobs being affected. No one cared when it was just healers and constantly criticized healer mains for complaining. Now that it’s affecting dps jobs everyone is up in arms. I’m sure the samurai change will get fixed, and then everyone will keep silent on healer problems yet again.

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This right here

End of the day, your loss is regrettable but that doesn't mean you should drag others down with you by telling them their attempts were futile. Well, no one can stop you from telling others to stop trying but if people don't want to share in the misery of it, they'll fight it until the end or they'll just join you at the bottom in the sediment. Either way, one should not stop trying to fight for what they believe even if the action is futile in their eyes but if you feel the effort isn't worth it, I am sure there is something else more worth the effort rather than suffering in silence.

If you're not willing to let go of something that causes you misery, you'll become a shell of yourself from expending an inordinate amount of energy trying to retain it.

for honest criticism, I just want dark knight to be comfier to play. It's not that the job is busy, because I absolutely love gnb and thats arguably even more busy. It just feels so awkward and unintuitive to play sometimes. Its a 1-2-3 combo and a bunch of OGCD's with worse fell cleave. I just want to be a cool greatsword person AND have fun :(((

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Originally Posted by CuragaCura

End of the day, your loss is regrettable but that doesn't mean you should drag others down with you by telling them their attempts were futile. Well, no one can stop you from telling others to stop trying but if people don't want to share in the misery of it, they'll fight it until the end or they'll just join you at the bottom in the sediment. Either way, one should not stop trying to fight for what they believe even if the action is futile in their eyes but if you feel the effort isn't worth it, I am sure there is something else more worth the effort rather than suffering in silence.

If you're not willing to let go of something that causes you misery, you'll become a shell of yourself from expending an inordinate amount of energy trying to retain it.

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Samurai mains are well within their rights to complain about 6.1 changes. If Square listens to you, great. If they dismissively tell you to kick rocks, that sucks. You've got a lot going for you at least: JP seems to hate it (and that usually gets attention much faster), and you're in the DPS role, which also tends to get attention faster.

What I won't countenance is the eyeroll-worthy gaslighting I hear from DPS mains constantly pretending as if it was their "approach", or their "tone", or "just more constructive tactics", or "being more specific", or "persevering more" that got their voices heard: it's because they're DPS, and the devs care FAR more about the role than the other two. We've been telling the devs that spamming our 1 keys is boring. We got the 1 key spamming question as one of the most popular questions in a live letter, Yoshi pretty much said "too bad". Healers are curebots, stay in your lane, heal me when I take damage, I'm a DPS and my experience of you healing me through MY dungeon queue is the important fun here.

Again, petition to revert SAM to your hearts' content. But I'll narrow my eyes and get my typing fingers going every time a DPS pretends like there isn't a blatant double standard, or that healer complaints are "unfocused" and that's why they don't get heard.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Samurai mains are well within their rights to complain about 6.1 changes. If Square listens to you, great. If they dismissively tell you to kick rocks, that sucks. You've got a lot going for you at least: JP seems to hate it (and that usually gets attention much faster), and you're in the DPS role, which also tends to get attention faster.

What I won't countenance is the eyeroll-worthy gaslighting I hear from DPS mains constantly pretending as if it was their "approach", or their "tone", or "just more constructive tactics", or "being more specific", or "persevering more" that got their voices heard: it's because they're DPS, and the devs care FAR more about the role than the other two. We've been telling the devs that spamming our 1 keys is boring. We got the 1 key spamming question as one of the most popular questions in a live letter, Yoshi pretty much said "too bad". Healers are curebots, stay in your lane, heal me when I take damage, I'm a DPS and my experience of you healing me through MY dungeon queue is the important fun here.

Again, petition to revert SAM to your hearts' content. But I'll narrow my eyes and get my typing fingers going every time a DPS pretends like there isn't a blatant double standard, or that healer complaints are "unfocused" and that's why they don't get heard.

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Cool story, now stop derailing our thread or get out.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Samurai mains are well within their rights to complain about 6.1 changes. If Square listens to you, great. If they dismissively tell you to kick rocks, that sucks. You've got a lot going for you at least: JP seems to hate it (and that usually gets attention much faster), and you're in the DPS role, which also tends to get attention faster.

What I won't countenance is the eyeroll-worthy gaslighting I hear from DPS mains constantly pretending as if it was their "approach", or their "tone", or "just more constructive tactics", or "being more specific", or "persevering more" that got their voices heard: it's because they're DPS, and the devs care FAR more about the role than the other two. We've been telling the devs that spamming our 1 keys is boring. We got the 1 key spamming question as one of the most popular questions in a live letter, Yoshi pretty much said "too bad". Healers are curebots, stay in your lane, heal me when I take damage, I'm a DPS and my experience of you healing me through MY dungeon queue is the important fun here.

Again, petition to revert SAM to your hearts' content. But I'll narrow my eyes and get my typing fingers going every time a DPS pretends like there isn't a blatant double standard, or that healer complaints are "unfocused" and that's why they don't get heard.

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There is no double standard here being applied here except to screen the obvious skepticism that you have. You opinion is noted but it's obviously not needed.

I just like to bring up that time and money was wasted in ruining a job when the developers could have literally done absolutely nothing and that would have been better.

Unless there is an ulterior motive like nerfing a job they don't like and forcing players to pick up jobs they (the developers) like which is not probable but is still a possible explanation given that they have offered zero reason for the removal of Kaiten that sticks because there are far more bloatier buttons like Tsubame-gaeshi, Hissatsu: Guren and Shoha II that could be merged with other buttons.