Yoshi P... Please dont listen to subscribers!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

are you people seriously tossing around 20k as a number again?

we have anywhere from 12-20k people on at any given time, that doesnt make it the actual population

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20k is just a guess number but around the ball park answer. I was merely giving an example.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

You also have to take into consideration the 450k+ people that left the game that weren't pleased with the game, and these forums comprise of like 1k at max out of the 20k people playing the game.. the Feedback if anything should be coming from the people that totally left the game... SE wants the 450k back, listening to 1k people opinions isn't the way to go.

That's why they do the players poll, to get an Idea what would people prefer to have, then Yoshi-P acts accordingly, but still keeping his vision in mind all at the same time.

In anyrate, Lets hope 2.0 is what brings the people back no matter how they do it, and we can all play in Harmony =).

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I have to disagree. Yes they want the 450000 players back, but that simply won't happen through small polls, especially polls that not even 1% of the ones that left took. They have to look to the remaining players for feedback. That is how the game will grow and improve. They are never going to forget the remaining players like you suspect.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

You also have to take into consideration the 450k+ people that left the game that weren't pleased with the game, and these forums comprise of like 1k at max out of the 20k people playing the game.. the Feedback if anything should be coming from the people that totally left the game... SE wants the 450k back, listening to 1k people opinions isn't the way to go.

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This completely mind-boggles me as well! (i agree with u).

Its like SE said

"Ok half a million people left our game ..."
"I NOE!!!"
"lets prevent them from telling us why they left!"
"YES GREAT THINKING!"

And the forums were like YAYAY lets get rid of all the trolls who dont play but still post yaya (Even tho there was like 5 people...)

And now the game is shaped by only playing people, because, it makes perfect sense to not want new customers, nooo only keep existing ones! And if they stop paying, they must PAY to have an OPINION! Oh yeh forgot its SE...

And then we come to Yoshi saying "Tell your friends to come back" lolwut?

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

I knew what you meant, but words mean things, and using the wrong words muddies communication and implies things that are patently false, or imply importance where there is none.

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Fine. I'll try to be more apropos in my word choice from now on.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

entitlement

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You wash out your filthy mouth this instant! I will not have buzzwords in this home young man.

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Originally Posted by Daku_Naito

Not true, if they get something they like, they move on to something else. improving the game.



Really, I thought investors invest for some sort of profit, not distinctly monetary, but profit in general. Are you 100% positive it is just monetary? Anyways, we've made a monetary gain by saving money on the final product.



It isn't that hard to please the crowd, if people are still playing, they are somewhat pleased with the game, that doesn't mean they don't want to improve their experience, because they do, which is why they complain, to aim for more. It is a natural human thing to do.

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Just going to answer the bit directed at me.


Profits are money, and money above intial invest are profits. Typically an investor will put in a set amount based on a garunteed percentage "return on investment" one time investors will pull out after they have made as much as they care to risk, while continued investors will put a portion of their profits back in to the company with the intention to continue to make more.

An investor doesn't really in the end care about product quality, they just care that it sells, that's why Barbie horse adventure never has to turn to kick starter to get made, it will make enough that it is an acceptable risk to investors, and why untested indie games routinely die on the vine.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

Just going to answer the bit directed at me.


Profits are money, and money above intial invest are profits. Typically an investor will put in a set amount based on a garunteed percentage "return on investment" one time investors will pull out after they have made as much as they care to risk, while continued investors will put a portion of their profits back in to the company with the intention to continue to make more.

An investor doesn't really in the end care about product quality, they just care that it sells, that's why Barbie horse adventure never has to turn to kick starter to get made, it will make enough that it is an acceptable risk to investors, and why untested indie games routinely die on the vine.

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Thanks for the reply, also I wasn't trying to be condescending. It was an honest question. I am a PEngineering major, I won't try to pretend like I know more then someone in the field. Though the discount given is a gain. As well as several other opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Daku_Naito

Thanks for the reply, also I wasn't trying to be condescending. It was an honest question. I am a PEngineering major, I won't try to pretend like I know more then someone in the field. Though the discount given is a gain. As well as several other opportunities.

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Heh, not in the field, actually I'm a chef, but the business principles are the same. Basically for me the frame of reference is this, I'll find more investors to help me open a McDonald's far easier than opening a, let's say, Indian-Carribiean tapas bar in an untested market. No one wants to throw they usually over 10-20mil to open a restaurant if they think it's going to fail in 3 months.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

Heh, not in the field, actually I'm a chef, but the business principles are the same. Basically for me the frame of reference is this, I'll find more investors to help me open a McDonald's far easier than opening a, let's say, Indian-Carribiean tapas bar in an untested market. No one wants to throw they usually over 10-20mil to open a restaurant if they think it's going to fail in 3 months.

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Yeah, I meant just someone who knows what they are talking about really well ^^

there's a huge difference between "whines" and legitimate concerns. It's also a subjective difference, because many people will consider an opinion that is at odds with their own to be a "whine." Any developer should only listen so much to the players, such that their own vision of their creation isn't totally lost, but should take reasonable concerns to heart.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

there's a huge difference between "whines" and legitimate concerns. It's also a subjective difference, because many people will consider an opinion that is at odds with their own to be a "whine." Any developer should only listen so much to the players, such that their own vision of their creation isn't totally lost, but should take reasonable concerns to heart.

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You're right except people generally whine when they have legitimate concerns. That is why they have people looking through the forums. To pick the good from the bad.