Wait....where are the Ninjas?

I really like the current Ninja. I do not main it or play it significantly because of how Ninjutsu punishes you, though. To get the best DPS, you need to hit the Mudras pretty fast. However, if you hit the Mudras too fast, you will up with a rabbit. For the most part, my Ninjutsus are succesfully what I wanted; but, those times during the heat of a battle where I wind up with a rabbit when I feel I should not have are incredibly frustrating. It is just so much easier to swap to another job where you push the button and the skill you want works.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

A not very good RPR/ SAM maybe xD.
I don't think you're going to come near them unless they screw up.

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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. FFXIV is not balanced around target dummy performance. The rDPS multiples for SAM, RPR and NIN (0, 0.5 and 1.25) appropriately reflect the rankings we see in the current logs within the margin I would call "similar numbers". In other words, we obviously wouldn't expect a class that provides +5%/15s/60s to output more raw DPS than a class that provides 0%/0s/0s (SAM).

There is perhaps a little more room for balancing vs RPR, but it's within margin that you can still "play what you like" and clear content.

DRG and NIN suffer of busy job you get less reward on dps. While reaper is easy friendly does more dmg. I think they need more dmg or just the kit need to be somewhat like reaper accessibility. I think a lot job feels not great imo.

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Originally Posted by AlgernonBlackwood

Rogue requires you to go rather out of your way to unlock, starts at level 1, and is absolute dogsh*t to play. It has to be most miserable 30 level to get through in the game and it somehow keeps getting worse every expansion as more and more of NIN's assassin/rogue skills get removed to make room for Naruto stuff. The thematic gap between Rogue and Ninja is much larger then it is with any other ARR class/job, which makes it really difficult give you anything interesting to do earlier on, like they did with MNK in EW. This thematic gap also turns off a lot of people who were more interested in the rogue job fantasy, while SAM, a job that starts out at level 50 with a bunch of awesome skills, syphons away a fair number of weebs.

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Oh man, that's one of my biggest gripes with the job, simply put, Ninja class fantasy is not nearly as appealing as an Assassin/Thief. I know this is an JRPG and being a FF game, ninja was bound to be a job in the game, but... The whole ninjutsu and frog summoning stuff just doesn't cut it for me, I am not sure if it is because I am used to DND type of classes and Final Fantasy wasn't ever part of my game's list up until 14 and 15 or the fact that the last time I was into anime was when I was around 10 watching Naruto, DBZ and later Death Note, but yeah, everything from artifact gear to gameplay is unappealing to me, shame too because I enjoy playing rogue in games from time to time.

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

Oh man, that's one of my biggest gripes with the job, simply put, Ninja class fantasy is not nearly as appealing as an Assassin/Thief. I know this is an JRPG and being a FF game, ninja was bound to be a job in the game, but... The whole ninjutsu and frog summoning stuff just doesn't cut it for me

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Hellfrog Medium is straight out the best ability animation in the whole game. Still waiting for Hellfrog Large.

I think ninja needs to have something to make the 1 2 3 phase more entertaining, and please swap aeolian edge's animation to the good ol Dancing edge that alone would help lol

NIN is great; more people should play it!

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

NIN is great; more people should play it!

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Great in what way?

NIN is my favourite melee among others (haven't try RPR yet though), I normally level it first.
But this time I'm taking a different approach where I'm leveling my least liked first.
So playing NIN will take me a while. :p

Personally, I was fed up with the needless punishment and low reward of the class and migrated to Sam for raiding.
Nin players have to deal with so much nonsense for meager rewards, whats the point except if you are very much into naruto visuals.