Endwalker's plot is loosely based on Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator (Spoilers)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VelKallor

Its called the Frankenstein Complex, its a standard writing theme and has been for close to 70 years, starting with Frankenstein, going along to films like Colossus the Forbin Project, Gog and a host of others.
Meteion wasnt part of that btw, the writing themes are far more complex.

---

I wouldn't necessarily exclude Meteion from the Frankenstein Complex. Yeah, she's a biological creation as opposed to a mechanical one which is what the Frankenstein Complex usually refers to, but I'd still say Meteion's character represents that idea quite well because she is a creation who is a danger to the creator.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

I wouldn't necessarily exclude Meteion from the Frankenstein Complex. Yeah, she's a biological creation as opposed to a mechanical one which is what the Frankenstein Complex usually refers to, but I'd still say Meteion's character represents that idea quite well because she is a creation who is a danger to the creator.

---

Except again, she never turned on her creator! She kept Hermes in mind in everything she did, she just thought she was doing the right thing!

She didn't say "humanity is ruining the universe I need to kill humanity."
She saw what humanity and species led to, and showed that they wanted, and thus came to the answer that that is what she needed to do to help!

She can't fit 'creation is danger to creator' if she never betrayed her creator.

So loosely is slipped right off.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

Except again, she never turned on her creator! She kept Hermes in mind in everything she did, she just thought she was doing the right thing!

She didn't say "humanity is ruining the universe I need to kill humanity."
She saw what humanity and species led to, and showed that they wanted, and thus came to the answer that that is what she needed to do to help!

She can't fit 'creation is danger to creator' if she never betrayed her creator.

---

She still tried to have him and his people killed though. Sure, Meteion’s and the machines’ motives are different, but my point is they both tried to wipe out the civilization that created them. Something that kills is dangerous, and that’s why Meteion, as a creation, was a danger to the creator.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

recent post

---

I’ll try to better dissect the argument we’re having. What we’re disagreeing on is the motive behind the wiping out of an entire civilization. I’ll agree that the motives are different. Meteion thought she was helping by putting the ancients out of their misery; essentially a mercy killing, and the machines attempting to destroy humanity out of self-preservation. It seems to me what you’re hung up on is the difference in motive, which I agree there is, but my original post was alluding to the theme of “creation killing creator” regardless of their motive. Meteion was the cause of the final days, and the machines were the cause of judgement day for two very different reasons, but the outcome was supposed to be the same: the extinction of those two civilizations. That’s why I use the term “loosely based” on the Terminator. The two fictional stories are not going to match up completely with each other.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seraphor

So loosely is slipped right off.

---

Oh c’mon. So now the definition of “loosely based” needs to be argued about as well? It honestly comes off as grasping for straws at this point.