Unpopular Opinion: Make all Jobs DPS with a Defender OR Healer stance...

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

I mean, the damage ain't even that bad, I think it's just that the rotations are overall more boring than DPS rotations. "Simple rotations + low damage" is a hell of a lot worse than "Dynamic rotation + low damage".
I mean, I understand why they do it like that, after all, Healers and Tanks are more about paying attention to the fight to keep everyone alive rather than doing some complex rotations to maximize damage done, but still.

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Originally Posted by Kohl

No lies detected, sir. I can't disagree with you. I think this is why I am liking GNB (I feel like I build up to having something of a burst of butt-kicking), but they still do not have a complex rotation of any kind.

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I concur with both of these points; I play tank, heal, and dps regularly and I feel the damage for the jobs I play is solid for each. As for "boring", I also feel they're currently fine (at least with the jobs I play, them being GNB, AST, and BLM), because each Job has a different focus and honestly, I don't play GNB or AST to have a complex dps rotation. I'm paying attention to a lot of other things instead, so I rather like that it's simpler for them. As for BLM, it more than makes up for having an interesting rotation, lol

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

I knew no one would like OPs suggestion, but what I didnt expect, is how most ppl are talking about completely different subjects, and still thinking they are talking about OPs subject...

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Adding stances wouldn't do anything if the jobs have no skills pertaining to the role.


A SAM for instance, would need entirely new skills to fill a healer or tank role that a stance wouldn't provide.

Not a bad idea, but not really necessary in this game because you can already be everything on one character. With a button click you can heal or tank or DPS.

I prefer holy trinity for vanilla contents, no thanks.



For side-contents like Bozja, however, I would love an extra layer of build. Think of essence and lost actions in Bozja contents, but instead of using disposable items (I really hate "disposable" stuffs), SE develops them into some kind of "Talent trees", so you can play your class while being tougher and hold threat better as tank sub-role (passive threat multiplier, higher HP, defense stat, and defensive buff like Manawall), offer heal/support in heal sub-role (higher heal potency and can offer buffs like Protect/Shell/Bravery...) or hit harder in DPS sub-role (higher critical/direct hit chance/damage, DPS buff like Font of Power...). And you're not fixed to a sub-role, as you can go hybrid too.

I have actually had the same idea, OP.

It came to me mostly from how simple the DPS "rotation" is for healer.

I've found myself wishing that I could do something like, play Black Mage but with White Mage subclass, I think I could handle doing the BLM rotation while also having access to Lilies, Regen, Tetra, etc, to fill the healer role. (I mean you only need to cast a heal like every 15-20 seconds anyway most of the time)

Or wishing, while I was on Dancer, that I could weave Celestial Intersection, Opposition, etc between each attack.

Of course, that would be a lot, hence why I came to the same idea you said in the OP, switching out some skills so that you're not super overloaded.

And then I thought, the same could work for melees and tanks. Take Samurai, remove the kenki spenders and exchange it for rampart, sentinel, sheltron instead, etc. And vice versa, Warrior without any of the defensive ogCDs, but a few more damage ogCDs and weaponskills instead...

Fun to think about.

while i can definitely understand the appeal of being able to customize every part of your character, including their skillset, adding this would just lead to a lot of people playing confusing hybrid classes that would be difficult for both the people playing the game and the devs working on it to deal with.

for the devs it would be difficult because all of a sudden things would be a lot harder to categorize. is this warrior/dragoon a dps or a tank? which slot should they be put in in a dungeon? what kind of armor and weapon should they be allowed to use? all things they'd suddenly have to start thinking about.

as for the players, when you see a certain class you generally have an idea of what they can do and how they can affect the rest of the group. dancers have dance partner. astrologians have their cards. dragoons have their tether that everybody is afraid of. but allowing people to just throw whatever skills they want on their character removes this understanding and you get things like, say, a samurai dying because all of a sudden they hit superbolide and the healer didn't react in time because, well, normally the samurai wouldn't HAVE superbolide. knowing that class x has skill y is important to a better overall experience, because it means you have a general idea of what to expect from everybody as soon as you load in and see the party composition. obviously, people are people and these assumptions may not always hold true, but it's nice, at least, to be prepared to respond to your party members' actions when they DO happen.