Calling players bad because they're slow at improving...

Still wanna know how Titanmen feels knowing he got his back blown out by a thread that riled up the community far more than his own and is still getting replies as we speak.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Outside of Extremes or Savage (or for some, Ultimate) watching a video guide is not needed. At all. The mechanics are simple enough to be learned on the fly, even if it takes a few attempts.

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Even Extremes can be blind progged to completion in 2-3 lockouts at decent skill levels.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Still wanna know how Titanmen feels knowing he got his back blown out by a thread that riled up the community far more than his own and is still getting replies as we speak.

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I mean I would take a Titanmen thread over that fire anyday of the week. Atleast Titanmen's threads have some humor.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Our society had gone to shit because of this endless pandering to the lowest common denominator.

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I don't agree about society but the music in the USA sure has. That's what happens when one company owns almost all the radio stations and allows them to play only songs which are predetermined to be "hits."

Things won't change until someone breaks up the monopoly. Meanwhile, I listen to alexrainbird Music to discover new artists.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

... is supremely unconstructive, pointless, and only exacerbates the issue. Telling someone that they're bad when you're so impatient as to ridicule them after they fail to the same mechanic three times; telling someone they're bad when they declined your unwarranted, unasked for, and unprompted "feedback"; telling someone they're bad when they just want a stress-free, casual experience of this game - these are all behaviors that are rotten to the core. They reek of elitism and ableism, and belie a hollow core of morality, in which any shred of empathy can not be found.

It is therefore beyond disappointing to see community leaders and content creators chide those who are slower at improving as being 'bad'.

First of all, not everyone is able to learn at the same speed as you. While it might take you only two or three tries to comprehend a mechanic, someone might take fifty times - and that's OK. This game is not a job and there is no metric for players to meet. We are here to play the game, not to fulfill some arbitrary performance metric like in an Amazon warehouse.

Second of all, people can and do forget mechanics over time that they have not seen frequently. Not everyone no-lifes this game for 10 hours a day to instantly recognize every mechanic that they see. Do not assume that people are locked in the basement as you are to be able to perfectly memorize every single mechanic and rotation in the game.

Third of all, it is the height of ableism to assume that everyone playing this game can dodge AoEs perfectly all the time. People do and will age, and reaction times do grow slower. Complaining and insulting a player as "bad" because they stood in an AoE can and often are instances of ableism and ageism, by indirectly insulting their decreased reaction speed as they grow older.

What makes a "bad player" is not failure at improving. What makes a "bad player" are those that go around personally harassing, insulting, and picking fights with other players because of some self-conceived notion of good and bad. Get off your high horse and let players enjoy the game the way they want to.

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Git Gud i am told if i do wrong if i do bad since Kindergarden did you skipped that or what ?

And how is even possible you are not perma banned on forums already?
your posts are for sole purpose of starting some nonsensical flame hate wars.

You are toxic person.

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Originally Posted by Ativan

... is supremely unconstructive, pointless, and only exacerbates the issue. Telling someone that they're bad when you're so impatient as to ridicule them after they fail to the same mechanic three times; telling someone they're bad when they declined your unwarranted, unasked for, and unprompted "feedback"; telling someone they're bad when they just want a stress-free, casual experience of this game - these are all behaviors that are rotten to the core. They reek of elitism and ableism, and belie a hollow core of morality, in which any shred of empathy can not be found.

It is therefore beyond disappointing to see community leaders and content creators chide those who are slower at improving as being 'bad'.

First of all, not everyone is able to learn at the same speed as you. While it might take you only two or three tries to comprehend a mechanic, someone might take fifty times - and that's OK. This game is not a job and there is no metric for players to meet. We are here to play the game, not to fulfill some arbitrary performance metric like in an Amazon warehouse.

Second of all, people can and do forget mechanics over time that they have not seen frequently. Not everyone no-lifes this game for 10 hours a day to instantly recognize every mechanic that they see. Do not assume that people are locked in the basement as you are to be able to perfectly memorize every single mechanic and rotation in the game.

Third of all, it is the height of ableism to assume that everyone playing this game can dodge AoEs perfectly all the time. People do and will age, and reaction times do grow slower. Complaining and insulting a player as "bad" because they stood in an AoE can and often are instances of ableism and ageism, by indirectly insulting their decreased reaction speed as they grow older.

What makes a "bad player" is not failure at improving. What makes a "bad player" are those that go around personally harassing, insulting, and picking fights with other players because of some self-conceived notion of good and bad. Get off your high horse and let players enjoy the game the way they want to.

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It feels weird reading you arguing for someone like me, who does have issues* which prevent me from doing mechanics perfectly. It angers me because I know you are doing so only to get a rise out of people.

*I'm disabled, in great pain 24/7, and bipolar that's all you need to know

P.S. In the off chance you are serious, perhaps you should reflect on the fact no one takes you seriously because of your past forum behavior. Reaping what you sow and all that...

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I mean I would take a Titanmen thread over that fire anyday of the week. Atleast Titanmen's threads have some humor.

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Pretty sure everyone would take a Titanmen thread over that literal dumpster fire of a thread to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

It feels weird reading you arguing for someone like me, who does have issues* which prevent me from doing mechanics perfectly. It angers me because I know you are doing so only to get a rise out of people.

*I'm disabled, in great pain 24/7, and bipolar that's all you need to know

P.S. In the off chance you are serious, perhaps you should reflect on the fact no one takes you seriously because of your past forum behavior. Reaping what you sow and all that...

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Do you at least take the time to look up a fight before you enter it to know what to expect? If so you are doing better than half the players in randoms.

what OP says make much sense! But don't worry play at your own pace, you will learn the mech of the game with practice and search on internet, mmo for those who never played before its very overwhelming, so much information to absolve. I can understand his point of view.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Do you at least take the time to look up a fight before you enter it to know what to expect? If so you are doing better than half the players in randoms.

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Oh yes! I always look up a new fight. Why waste other people's time?

If there is something I don't understand I wait until I can run the encounter with friends so they can talk me through it on Discord.