XI should be free with an active XIV sub

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Originally Posted by Bearded

Why should I have to pay (cause the sub would go up no matter that some think) for a game I cannot play as it is not available on my OS?

They are totally different games - some people like to play both but the vast majority play one or the other.

Check your attitude at the door and to not flame people for simply stating the truth - there are other threads on this.

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that's your problem because macos is a joke. if you really hate windows, try a nice linux distro. or heck, vulkan is available on mac too but i'm getting off topic. but anyway just saying nobody cares because you don't is, again, an incredibly boneheaded statement

They had a bundle back in 1.0

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Originally Posted by Nayal

They had a bundle back in 1.0

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Yes and no. They discounted a couple months if you started playing 1.0

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/topics/ffxiv/

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Do I get a sub discount if I don't play XI for not taking up server space? Because nothing I've read about it makes me want to try it.

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It hasn't aged well but I also don't think 11 is for everyone.

I only feel nostalgic and loves the game but I also played it back in 2004 to 2014. Although I hear new players, even XIV players that joins the game and love it but I guess on surface it is a turn off for many.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

that's your problem because macos is a joke. if you really hate windows, try a nice linux distro. or heck, vulkan is available on mac too but i'm getting off topic. but anyway just saying nobody cares because you don't is, again, an incredibly boneheaded statement

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Stop with the attitude

I did not say I hate windows - you did
I did not say nobody cares - I said I do not want it. I am entitled to my opinion even if it goes against yours.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

change my mind

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No. I'll happily take free games, especially ones I never played.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Disney+ should be free with a netflix sub. Change my mind.

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Nope, I'll gladly take that too!

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

This is the most apples and oranges reply I’ve seen

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Completely off-topic, but I've always thought the UK's "chalk and cheese" a much better way to express the idea that one is trying to compare two completely different things, as chalk and cheese actually are different things, whereas apples and oranges are both fruit. /shrug

SE: or we could keep charging a sub as we've always done until nobody plays our game any more. We still have FF14.

I mean, I like free stuff just as much as the next person but SE isn't going to change its mind about it just as much as the OP no matter how badly you want it.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

change my mind

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Square Enix is making money suitable to maintain both games independently. It is a business, and there is little to link the two games besides the name "Final Fantasy".

Change their minds.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

POL is basically nowadays:

- Login
- Hit Play

Back in the day we had to do account management in that mess, that was the true pain.

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I should have clarified - it's the initial POL / account setup can be really confusing. There are still frequent posts in the subreddit with people struggling just to get into the game. Once that's all done though, POL and the login process is easy peasy like ya said.

If there was no way to tell how much revenue ffxi was bringing in on its own, there simply would be no reason for it to continue. It's not like it is cheap to have 16 servers going and employing the handful of devs it has. As it stands there are plenty of ppl at SE who share double duty between the 2 games because ffxi simply isn't popular/profitable enough to have a separate staff. Would I like to see that change? Very much so. FFXI is an amazing game, rich with lore and some top notch story telling. But sadly its severely outdated in many ways and it has no mainstream appeal.

Combining the subs would be the final nail for ffxi.

Yes please. Do it like WoW Retail/Classic where they share a subscription. Or at the very least offer a discounted subscription cost if you sub to both!