Pre patch suggestion

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

I don't think they ever again will add new jobs in a non-ARR area.

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Yeah, that irritated alot of people.
One of my IRL still wont shut up about it XD

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Originally Posted by Andy_T93

The reason I would like this is because it would mean by bunboi would be ready to go from the start when Endwalker actually drops im gonna be fighting with all the queue's trying to make an alt male Viera to see him in game to make sure the skintone is right, no doubt this will actually take 2 or 3 creations before I settle on one and then once I have the finished result fantasia my main. All of this is time consuming and requires alot of logging in and out

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Actually... You can already prepare yourself for this. You can make your bunny character now in the benchmark, then before you log out before the servers go down for Endwalker, pop your Fantasia and take everything off. You can then when you log in grab your saved character data and slap it on, then log in. Quick and easy. My friend did something similar for their viera with ShB.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Sounds more like a entitlement. No one force you to look at social media and forums if you worried about being spoiled.

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Because social media and the forums are the only places where game spoilers exist? It's possible to come across spoilers in any of the ingame chat channels (/say, /yell, /shout). An FC or Linkshell member could accidentally drop a spoiler in FC/LS chat. Even a title used by someone could act as a spoiler (example: the title reward for finishing the 3.5 MSQ, prior to its change to "The Finest Pupil's Ally").

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

First of all, what's a couple of days delay, really. During that time, I would hope that people are learning those jobs, rather than rushing to endgame , without even reading their tooltips or knowing basic mechanics - and before anyone jumps in I realize that there are 10 year veterans to whom this likely doesn't apply , or people who very quickly can pick up on a new MMO or job.

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I'd imagine players are actually less likely to be learning the new jobs during the initial rush of getting them up to the level required to enter Endwalker. On the other hand, a 1-3 week pre-patch that includes the new jobs would let players get used to the basics of said new jobs.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

Secondly, at least one of those jobs (reaper) is integral to the EW story so for myself it makes sense that it forms part of the release. That's probably the major reason for SE (Yoshi)

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If Reaper is integral to the Endwalker story, why can it be unlocked in Ul'dah? Players can unlock Reaper, and play through the job quests without even touching the Endwalker MSQ content.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

Third- as pointed out in a prior post - adding jobs isn't trivial for the dev team, so that is likely why they form part of major release, due to all of the resources that are required to deliver them, and then adjustments are delivered in minor patches or hot fixes.

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I'd be worried about an expansion's release if they're still making fundamental changes to a new job, 1-3 weeks prior to release.

The only reasonable arguement against a pre-patch is how SE's current way of handling expansions causes the playerbase to split up on release. Two groups of players going to two separate cities to unlock the new jobs (and leveling them in old content), while one group of players dives right into Endwalker content.
But this wouldn't be too big of an issue if they stopped having instanced battles early one, like Raubahn EX.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

just because other games do it, such as lets say WoW, doesnt make it a better system.

in fact, seeing where WoW is now, I would say it hasnt helped them a lot. just means a period of time before official launch where you can be upset and complain about the changes on the forum... unlike WoW, in here, you wont be "behind" missing that level up period, just enjoy the game as always.

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I mean, let's be honest, pre-patch releases are the least of WoW's problems these days.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Does this boil down to the mentallity that an MMO is a race to the end and if you're jsut a day or two behind you're shit out of luck and all the fun of the experience is wasted?

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I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of the reason the devs don't do it here, since they try very much not to treat this game like a rush to the end.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

It would be nice to get our hands on jobs ahead of time in some capacity, to help the devs troubleshoot oversights or plain bad design.

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It definitely would have been nice to give them some feedback ahead of time on lilies, though.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Because social media and the forums are the only places where game spoilers exist? It's possible to come across spoilers in any of the ingame chat channels (/say, /yell, /shout). An FC or Linkshell member could accidentally drop a spoiler in FC/LS chat. Even a title used by someone could act as a spoiler (example: the title reward for finishing the 3.5 MSQ, prior to its change to "The Finest Pupil's Ally").

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Running into spoilers is much higher here, reddit or facebook.
In-game I'm generally never see any spoilers in shout or any other common channel. In my FC I have a rule for no spoiler in chat first month and never had anyone break that rule the 2-3 years i been FC leader.

Not saying you can't get spoilers in-game but it pretty uncommon from my personal experience.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Running into spoilers is much higher here, reddit or facebook.
In-game I'm generally never see any spoilers in shout or any other common channel. In my FC I have a rule for no spoiler in chat first month and never had anyone break that rule the 2-3 years i been FC leader.

Not saying you can't get spoilers in-game but it pretty uncommon from my personal experience.

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I always stay out of Novice Network for that same reason. I'd love to help give advice and help with ques if needed, but avoiding spoilers is much better. One thing that can be spoilery in a way is if an FC member reaches the final zone or is a dungeon/trial and it shows them there in the FC list, but fortunately most names aren't as spoilery as Bowl of Embers for what it might be now. I guess the cities could be if people didn't watch info as both have been mentioned multiple times in game since ARR.

Two issues with this, First is that I play on PS5 so while I was able to use the benchmark I can't import my character from it

Secondly I guarantee that the way I think my character looks in the CC will be vastly different walking around in the world. The CC is really bad at accurately representing skin tones even when you cycle through different backgrounds

Wouldn't mind playing Male Viera right now.

This literally piss me off, those that even give out even a hint that FF14 should remotely follow WOW 'launch practices on new races'

What a shame.

I saw Kul-tiran, one of the first announce allied race for the infamous BFA expansion. All the druid forms are shown on mmo champion and wowhead. I pre-order that game, thinking I would have time to level that a new fat human druid in time for new raid.

LOL what a dumb fool I was to trust that company. Kul-Tiran were NOT release at launch, Kul-Tiran were not released even before the first raid. That dark iron dawrf which was announce after Kul-tiran some how got to release before Kul-Tiran. I unsub when the 6 months ran out and never look back.

Don't even remotely hint at copying WOW on how to release an expansion, EVER.