Warriors: Why do you love your class?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jirah

I like WAR but makes me quiver with dread when people say “it’s easy” as a selling point. My my have we gone soft

---

It's easier to pick up and run well than other tanks because of how it got designed. People call it boring, but it's the least tiring job to play in the game and you got to appreciate that kind of thing when doing 4+ hours of content. Warrior at the highest level still takes time to get the timings right, though. Plus it feels the least squishy out of all the tanks due to the self heals.

There's nothing wrong with a job being "easy" to learn. I prefer it since it gets most players into trying a job in the first place. It's the old adage of "easy to learn, hard to master" and vice versa. In the the past WAR was still easy to learn but hard to master because it required maximizing Berserk and tanking in off stance, which required a mastery understanding of enmity gain from both you and other party members actions and skills. So it rewarded players who stuck through it with hard hitting damage and active gameplay, since OT stance made you squishier and thus needed to manage both defensive cds and offensive cds.

In 5.0 that's not the case since ALL tanks are easy to learn and easy to master. Enmity is a non issue and most raids are boiled down just do damage and tank swap a few times in the fight. So that's why most people say that WAR is easy because it is. It always has been easy but they removed the skill ceiling and what were are left with is the latter.

Not to mention when you take a break and come back to the game it's definitely a problem when your jobs are mostly maxed level, since you're going to have to relearn the job with all the skills available, with the expectation you actually know how to play the job because your level 80.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Colt47

People call it boring, but it's the least tiring job to play in the game and you got to appreciate that kind of thing when doing 4+ hours of content.

---

Personally, I get tired of stuff a lot faster when I'm bored.

Thus, Warrior is the most tiring tank for me.

Quite honestly? I like the simplicity of playing WAR. It manages to be both simple and fun, at least for me. Some people might complain it's too simple, but I like simple. At the same time, though it is simple, it also requires skill to master and I feel that playing WAR is incredibly satisfying, and by far my favorite job to play. DRK used to be my favorite before that, but now it quite honestly just feels like a scuffed, discounted version of WAR.

Ive played all tanks and War is always been my favorite. I love the armor and the job skills look dope its just my favorite tank. Most satisfying skills to auto crit and see big numbers.

I hope they add another combo to War I hate how wack storms path looks.

It's simplistic, yes, but Warrior is also one of the best designed jobs in terms of what it needs to do currently due to this simplicity because everything about their skills builds towards the class fantasy and flows well.

It has a couple of buttons to grab aggro and do damage while building the gauge, a big gauge spender single target button, a big gauge AoE spender button, a lower cost gauge spender button, and a dash that requires consuming gauge. All of that is then taken to the next level with Inner Release, and man is that satisfying to use - Direct Hit and Crits for the entire duration in addition to allowing usage of all your Gauge abilities without cost. It makes you feel like a warrior and hulk out with big DPS while simultaneously smashing the enemy with everything you got.

The healing part of the kit also thematically fits with Warriors with how I perceive the class fantasy - warriors who rely on innate vitality and strength to overwhelm the enemy. PLD with Clemency or GNB with Aurora/Heart of Stone, and even DRK with TBN can be used to target other players, but WAR's healing kit is mainly centered towards themselves and cannot be targeted on other party members. Even Nascent Flash, being allowed to target another party member to heal them, still fits into the class fantasy because the healing you give scales off by the damage you do. Even their invuln gives off the -you may try to hurt me, but I'm not goanna die- vibe. From the skill names to the skills' effects, so far Warrior fits the definition of a tanky 'beast'. The skills' goals feel straightforward to use and give a sense of ease to perceive its intended effect.

Have you seen the weapon pose for warrior? Literal chad energy there - puts his axe on his shoulder and the whole posture gives off confidence/power throughout the movement.
While it does feel like it lacks a lot of oGCDs, honestly the Inner Release window and the innate focus on powerful self-healing at their disposal removes a lot of that annoyance for me since I still feel like a beast through and through. Maybe it's not perfect, and there could be some upgrades to the job, but it definitely fulfilled the class fantasy in my opinion.

I see all these people praising Inner Release and I'm just sitting here thinking to myself "what exactly is so great about this ability from a gameplay perspective?"
I actually think it's a badly designed ability. Why? Because it has no interaction with the rest of your job kit, granted DrK's Delirium suffers from the same problem.

Let's look at the other tanks to illustrate what I mean.
PLD's Requiescat requires you to be above 80% MP to even function at all. PLD's MP is not a hard resource to manage, if you do your rotation correctly it happens automatically but that's the thing, you need to do your rotation correctly, if you just spam uncombod Goring Blade and then use Requiescat with 2000 MP it does absolutely nothing.
Gunbreaker's No Mercy buffs all your damage by 20% for 20 seconds, so while it doesn't require resources itself you only get the full benefit from it if you use your strongest abilities during those 20 seconds, this requires both building up resources for your burst, proper setup and proper execution.

Warrior's Inner Release and DrK's Delirium require none of those. They have 0 interaction with the rest of your kit besides benefitting from buffs that you already keep up 100% of the fight, you just press the button and then spam another button 5 times, no cost and no setup, the ability is entirely self-contained.

These abilities don't even have any interaction with your job gauge because they reduce the cost to 0, I could do nothing but spam Heavy Swing or Hard Slash for the entire 90 seconds and both abilities would still work the exact same way during their 10 seconds. The only thing it requires of you is to press one of the 2 buttons that cost you literally nothing.


Is it fun to see big numbers? Absolutely, but this kind of instant gratification is also extremely shallow and the novelty wears off a lot quicker than having to actually work atleast a little for those big numbers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Absurdity

I see all these people praising Inner Release and I'm just sitting here thinking to myself "what exactly is so great about this ability from a gameplay perspective?"
I actually think it's a badly designed ability. Why? Because it has no interaction with the rest of your job kit, granted DrK's Delirium suffers from the same problem.

Let's look at the other tanks to illustrate what I mean.
PLD's Requiescat requires you to be above 80% MP to even function at all. PLD's MP is not a hard resource to manage, if you do your rotation correctly it happens automatically but that's the thing, you need to do your rotation correctly, if you just spam uncombod Goring Blade and then use Requiescat with 2000 MP it does absolutely nothing.
Gunbreaker's No Mercy buffs all your damage by 20% for 20 seconds, so while it doesn't require resources itself you only get the full benefit from it if you use your strongest abilities during those 20 seconds, this requires both building up resources for your burst, proper setup and proper execution.

Warrior's Inner Release and DrK's Delirium require none of those. They have 0 interaction with the rest of your kit besides benefitting from buffs that you already keep up 100% of the fight, you just press the button and then spam another button 5 times, no cost and no setup, the ability is entirely self-contained.

These abilities don't even have any interaction with your job gauge because they reduce the cost to 0, I could do nothing but spam Heavy Swing or Hard Slash for the entire 90 seconds and both abilities would still work the exact same way during their 10 seconds. The only thing it requires of you is to press one of the 2 buttons that cost you literally nothing.


Is it fun to see big numbers? Absolutely, but this kind of instant gratification is also extremely shallow and the novelty wears off a lot quicker than having to actually work atleast a little for those big numbers.

---

I feel the same, sure it's fun but the rest of the kit is just barebones. It definitely needs another CD to use the bar with.

I was thinking Berserk should come back but only give 50% of both crit and damage buff and upheaval should get stacks(+1 with infuriate) so you get to weave only so it doesn't feel like a inferior IR window.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Absurdity

I see all these people praising Inner Release and I'm just sitting here thinking to myself "what exactly is so great about this ability from a gameplay perspective?"
I actually think it's a badly designed ability. Why? Because it has no interaction with the rest of your job kit, granted DrK's Delirium suffers from the same problem.

---

But, what you don't understand is that the job I could have play for me whilst alt-tabbed between my click-to-move commands would be the best designed job. Obviously. The more hands- and thought-free, the better the kit. I mean, have you not seen technology? That's all this really is, in essence. Why are people afraid of technology? /s

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Absurdity

Is it fun to see big numbers? Absolutely, but this kind of instant gratification is also extremely shallow and the novelty wears off a lot quicker than having to actually work atleast a little for those big numbers.

---

That's about my thoughts with WAR. I like having big numbers in tight burst phases, for what it's worth, (though they were bigger, in fact, when Berserk simply added Attack Power instead guaranteeing crit -- or, equally, gave a bit more power but at the cost of any actual crits or direct hits), but I miss feeling that it came as payoff from engagement, rather than just hitting a button 5 times, without even needing to time it around my combos.