WoW content creators trying FFXIV....can't believe production value.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I have really enjoyed watching both Quazii and Medieval Marty lately. They're having so much fun with the game, despite so many veterans in the community griping about "ARR bad, real game does not start til Heavensward."

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How many veteran players have started a new character since the ARR revamp was implemented in 5.3? Most haven't experienced what it is now. They're just making comments based on how it used to be.

The streamlining has greatly improved 2.0 as an introductory experience even if it's still not HW quality. It's not surprising the new players are enjoying it.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's unfortunate that once these content creators hit the endgame they're going to find a dearth of usable content. FFXIV has no PvP to speak of; no treadmill; no real progression content for anything other than raids. They'll all eventually hit a brick wall where they pretty much have to abandon the game.

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Some might. Others will stick around. It depends on what they want from a game. Not every content creator is obsessed with end game gear progression despite the impression you might get from more popular streamers.

The game has thousands of hours of content available to choose from. Those who are looking for more casual game play won't lack for things to do even after hitting level cap.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

My fear would be they fall into the trap of most other MMOs of starting to cater too much to the "more endgame" screamers, where the game becomes 80% "endgame" and all the cool stuff is locked behind the hardest content.

Of course if that would ever happen, it would add FFXIV to the exceedingly long list of MMOs I've quit.

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SE added a substantial amount of crafting/gathering specific content this expansion. They're adding Island Sanctuaries next expansion.

I don't think we need to fear that they're going to fall into the trap of focusing on end game, especially as everyone watches WoW dying because it did.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

It is not necessarily arrogance, it is more a disconnect between players and the decision makers. For me it seems that the decisions Blizzard makes are "management driven" or "how this new feature could improve our quaterly earnings" and not "this new feature could be fun". BfA had way too many systems that did not work very well. Then they needed many patches to fix the new systems. And after the systems were repaired a new expansion came out and all the repaired systems were completely removed. Shadowlands then introduced new systems and most of the systems are not fun at all. They will again need two patches to fix it. And after the fix they will remove the fixed systems again because of a new expansion. And the new expansion will introduce new not really well working systems.



The "you think you do but you don't"-thingy marks this disconnect between the Blizzard staff and the players. WoW Classic was a huge success. I guess the Blizzard staff can still not believe why the players had so much fun with a 15 years old game.


Cheers

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Oh yeah I agree with you, I just heard Asmongold mention this and it made sense to me especially with how I see a lot of US devs and game journalists interact with people online.

I definitely agree with the disconnect too, but I also think that's tied to the arrogance and the whole '' you think that you do, but you don't ''.
Because they think that they're the experts and know best, to some extent they're right but they also take it to an extreme.
I mean you can't just stop listening to the people you're essentially working for altogether, especially not when the feedback is so overwhelmingly leaning in one direction.

I do think that the corporate nature and culture also plays a part of it, but I think it's also just one piece of the puzzle.
I mean it's not like Blizz is the only greedy company, I think a lot of the decisions that they make are just them simply being out of touch and arrogant.
And I think that the arrogance is what stops them from learning, someones who's not arrogant I think would've learned at some point.
It's the fact that they don't seem to learn and keep ignoring feedback which is the arrogance part imo.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

The real question now is will Square take note of these events and not fall into complacency and decay like Blizzard did 20 years into the future or will it fall prey to the inevitable that awaits incredibly successful companies...

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This This scares me. Look at FF14 and then look at Marvel's Avengers. You'd think that it was made by two different companies but both are Square. A lot of the anti consumer stuff happening in gaming is present in square. The devs are shielding us from Square themselves. That's why I'm watching 16 so hard. If its a big hit(bigger than 15 and 7R) there's a good chance we might lose Yoshi - P to advancement.