I don't understand it, I just do not understand it!

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Originally Posted by Angelhearth

So what you're basically saying is that as long as you have more than enough gil, no one else deserves to get any, isn't that correct?

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Just now noticed this....

No that's not what we're saying.

We're saying "I want mine to sell."

I don't care what you do. I don't care if you get more gil than me, or make more sales than me.

All I care is that the stuff I listed has sold. What happens after, I simply don't care.

What I don't want, is to log on and see the items still sitting on my retainer the next day.

This has nothing to do with anybody else, other than I have to price my stuff lower than theirs to get it to sell.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

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What I don't want, is to log on and see the items still sitting on my retainer the next day.

This has nothing to do with anybody else, other than I have to price my stuff lower than theirs to get it to sell.

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Actually you don't.

Single item. How many sell / day? What's the price deferential?

Something has been selling 10 or so / day at 100K, someone puts one at 80K, rest are 100k or more. I will list at 99,900. It will sell. Only danger is that everyone /panics and undercuts Mr 80K.

I want to sell 20 of an item that stacks, there are 20 99s at 1200, next listing is 50 at 1500 then nothing until 1700. I will list at 1690 and it will sell.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

Actually you don't.

Single item. How many sell / day? What's the price deferential?

Something has been selling 10 or so / day at 100K, someone puts one at 80K, rest are 100k or more. I will list at 99,900. It will sell. Only danger is that everyone /panics and undercuts Mr 80K.

I want to sell 20 of an item that stacks, there are 20 99s at 1200, next listing is 50 at 1500 then nothing until 1700. I will list at 1690 and it will sell.

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Like I said, depends upon the confidence I have in the item that it will sell and how much I am wanting to get rid of it.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Just now noticed this....

No that's not what we're saying.

We're saying "I want mine to sell."

I don't care what you do. I don't care if you get more gil than me, or make more sales than me.

All I care is that the stuff I listed has sold. What happens after, I simply don't care.

What I don't want, is to log on and see the items still sitting on my retainer the next day.

This has nothing to do with anybody else, other than I have to price my stuff lower than theirs to get it to sell.

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If you didn't feel it concerned you, why did you answer? Did you read the post I was replying to?

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Originally Posted by Maeka

There are far easier ways to make "teleporting money". I mean, simply getting 2 retainers to lv80 and doing 18h ventures each day gives you 8,000 per day (you can turn the coins into the Doman Enclave for a free 20k per week) and also Challenge Logs. And Qing up for a couple Adventurer in Needs per day.

That, and let's not forget that the best way to earn a gil is to save a gil -- I am a super-casual player and I have 62 million. A lot of that was made by not spending it on stupid stuff like the latest crafted gear.

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I keep my retainer bringing me Shroud Topsoil 2, and got access to one gardening bed and 4 flowerpots, on Rag. That's 36 lavenders per day, which turn into 108 titanium nuggets, which net like 64k if I sell them with 600gil per nugget. Good tele money, I can buy the raid food and pots i need too. Nothing to complain here.

Maaa~ybe needless to say that this is not my main method of making money, if I want to make good money. Just little money.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Everyone deserves money I just don't care enough to be up to date with the market.
I see the current lowest price, cut my price by 100-1000 gil and start selling it.

Also, I don't really know how I made all my money, I just sell the retainer stuff and desync everything.

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Then why did you go into this discussion? I don't talk about people who put things in the market and "forgets" about them, I talk about those that go in and destroy the market, on purpose or out of ignorance. They will post it maybe 5% lower, and when you go 1 gil under they drop another 5%, and so on. Not enough that it's worth buying them out, just enough that the market starts to go down. And when everyone follows it's all but impossible to clean it up again. I've done it a few times, for millions, and in most cases I get my money back, but it takes time, but it's a game of hazard, so it doesn't always pay off.

That is callled trade and who can do it for the best price and still earn on it, get into the competition, or start selling something else.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

That is callled trade and who can do it for the best price and still earn on it, get into the competition, or start selling something else.

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I give up on this community. It's like you guys either don't want to earn money, don't want others to make money, don't give a rats ass and just arbitrarily set prices, or don't have the intellect to understand how to trade.

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You obviously haven't read the other posts in this tread. I make lots of money, that's not the problem.

Trying to educate casual sellers is pointless. They don't care and squirm in discomfort at the thought of learning how anything in the game works because learning implies taking it seriously and taking it seriously implies treating it "like a job." They'll shoot themselves, you, and the nice old lady across the street in the foot if that's what it takes to "succeed" in a way that is intuitively appealing to them. Just accept they're part of the market and exploit their incompetence. Weekends are for buying.

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Originally Posted by Angelhearth

Then why did you go into this discussion? I don't talk about people who put things in the market and "forgets" about them, I talk about those that go in and destroy the market, on purpose or out of ignorance.

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That's why I'm in this discussion.
I'm part of the problem you are so mad about and wanted to explain you why I "destroy" the market.

And it is quite simple, I don't care about money in this game. And many other don't care too, because there is nothing you can do with money.

And if you want to play the market game, then feel free to do it.
I have to deal with bad players who don't even know their class in savage content and you have to deal with player you don't know how to play the market board successful.
Everyone has to deal with some sort of bad players.