Dps meters

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I like DPS meters, but MMO communities suck so we can't have them.

There are better ways to handle this, though. SE's current stance basically just places people who play on console at a severe disadvantage when doing content that requires any kind of optimization.

Just add an official parser that lets you analyze ONLY your DPS, but won't show you anyone else's.

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I wanted to suggest that, but then people would just ask you to printscreen your dps to prove you can pull it off.

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Originally Posted by AnnaUK

I wanted to suggest that, but then people would just ask you to printscreen your dps to prove you can pull it off.

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People have fflogs to check your parses. He's just suggesting a bandaid fix for console players.

Besides, who asks for peoples parses anyways? Only time that will happen is if you're looking for a static. At that point why would you lie to them?

Man I sure do love low dps individuals joining PF and holding the group back from their goal when they have no idea what they are doing. That feeling of utter disappointment and loathing towards other human beings is fantastic. I especially love when everyone passive aggressively leaves the party after making passive aggressive comments because they can't ACTUALLY address the LOW DPS individuals directly because you know...ToS and all that.

Is this so fun? Instead of being able to address the player and say, "Hey man, doesn't like like you're ready to farm quite yet, and we want a clean run. Maybe practice a little more and next time I run with you and you've improved, we'll take you on np man."

BUT NO. NONE OF THAT can happen. But we can sure BE REAL SILENT AND PASSIVE AGGRESSIVELY DISBAND THE ENTIRE PARTY OVER ONE OR TWO BLANTANT PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO DO DAMAGE, YEP THAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION. Real winning solution right there.

If only there was some way to have a method of setting a party, and letting people you could verify to do the content well, to farm with.... if ONLY such a thing existed, to match similar skilled players with each other, on the low, medium, and high end.... instead of having dps rockstars be forced to be in the same party as the bottom of the barrel.

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Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

Man I sure do love low dps individuals joining PF and holding the group back from their goal when they have no idea what they are doing. That feeling of utter disappointment and loathing towards other human beings is fantastic. I especially love when everyone passive aggressively leaves the party after making passive aggressive comments because they can't ACTUALLY address the LOW DPS individuals directly because you know...ToS and all that.

Is this so fun? Instead of being able to address the player and say, "Hey man, doesn't like like you're ready to farm quite yet, and we want a clean run. Maybe practice a little more and next time I run with you and you've improved, we'll take you on np man."

BUT NO. NONE OF THAT can happen. But we can sure BE REAL SILENT AND PASSIVE AGGRESSIVELY DISBAND THE ENTIRE PARTY OVER ONE OR TWO BLANTANT PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO DO DAMAGE, YEP THAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION. Real winning solution right there.

If only there was some way to have a method of setting a party, and letting people you could verify to do the content well, to farm with.... if ONLY such a thing existed, to match similar skilled players with each other, on the low, medium, and high end.... instead of having dps rockstars be forced to be in the same party as the bottom of the barrel.

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Yeah and your toxic if you mention someone is bringing in low damage (which a lot of times you don't need a parser to notice) or if the person isn't getting the mechanics, and you just let them know, hey you might be better off in a learning party instead of a clear party, till you hav3 a better understanding of the fight (just because you cleared a fight once doesn't mean you are ready for a clear pary..). But that person isn't toxic for wassting seven other people's time.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Because DPS meters are an excellent tool for self-improvement and sometimes also useful for identifying a grossly underperforming DPS that's holding back a savage group. Unfortunately there's no way to have them but also prevent elitists from using them for their elitist purposes.

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Basically this. FF14 has an ask but do not tell policy. If you use a DPS meter to harass another player such as "lol man yo dps on ACT so trash it reminds me of your mother go off yourself" then do not be shocked if you can get reported under the harassment policy.

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Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

If only there was some way to have a method of setting a party, and letting people you could verify to do the content well, to farm with.... if ONLY such a thing existed, to match similar skilled players with each other, on the low, medium, and high end.... instead of having dps rockstars be forced to be in the same party as the bottom of the barrel.

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Well, a dps rockstar should be able to shoulder some of the burden from someone who is performing a little below average but is at least trying. Maybe the rockstar could even use their combat parser to check what the other player is doing wrong and give helpful tips.

When the rockstars only want to be grouped with other rockstars, that's called elitism and it's the thing SE is hoping to avoid by prohibiting dps meters.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Maybe the rockstar could even use their combat parser to check what the other player is doing wrong and give helpful tips.

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If only it were that simple lol. Identifying helpful tips is the easy part.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Well, a dps rockstar should be able to shoulder some of the burden from someone who is performing a little below average but is at least trying. Maybe the rockstar could even use their combat parser to check what the other player is doing wrong and give helpful tips.

When the rockstars only want to be grouped with other rockstars, that's called elitism and it's the thing SE is hoping to avoid by prohibiting dps meters.

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@the first paragraph, not calling myself a dps rockstar, but this is how I've always interacted with other players when playing games that allow dps meters. I can't tell you how many people I've adopted and dragged to a dummy to do drills after randomly grouping with them. Takes a village, you know?

@the second, unfortunately, elitists will find any way to exclude people from playing with them. Without hard numbers to look at, they usually find the excuse of non-meta comp to exclude people, or requiring high level drops (usually from the thing they're clearing), kicking people on their first mistake, and actually using a parser but not telling anyone and just kicking people without context so they don't know what was going wrong even harder.

I'm gonna post this on every thread about parsers 'cause i truly think it's a good compromise to people wanting something to gauge their performance, vs SE being absolutely terrified that some people might have to use the block button, and that's wildstar's end of instance private ranking indicator:
https://i.imgur.com/LoY5jWj.png
No one sees your rank, it just tells you how you measured up compared to your party, and it's at least a good starting point for those players who may really need a wakeup call that ice maging, freestyle samuraiing, and hardcasting 6s spell rdms are not valid ways of playing with other players.

You won't see1, too many casual players can't take criticism

Jesus Christ, how many more DPS meter threads are going to be made? You'd be better off just looking at an older thread instead of making a new one and watching it devolve into another shouting match between two sides making the same points they made previously.