Something in 5.3 MSQ felt off to me (SPOILERS)

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we take the lead and keep collecting our soul frangments, you are still you and have dead friends go for a ride

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Carrying dead people speaking inside? Oh no, it may have worked amazingly in DBZA's context but I really don't want any of that for my WoL whatsoever D:
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I just spoke with Cyella (Can't believe I didn't think of doing that earlier) but her dialogue truly gives Ardbert's tale a greater sense of finality. I believe I'm gonna fully stick with the "Final message on his Crystal" idea for myself! :D

We are Azem, the 14th member of the Convocation. But we were sundered into completely different people on each of the shards. So consider it like one base soul with spokes. Our aether has always been unusual and dense so more than likely we have the rejoined people that traveled back along their spokes to the base from the previous Rejoinings. Now Ardbert is there. So he's not there in our spoke all the time, but when we need him to, he can come hang out in our spoke like when he spoke to Hades and when Seto needed to get closure. But the whole point is that we all were our own people.

We also don't know who the heart of Hydaelyn is. Maybe it was us. And maybe that "base" where they all reside is the heart of Hydaelyn directly connected to our soul.

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We also don't know who the heart of Hydaelyn is.

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I'm pretty sure it's Venat, not the Defector (Azem).

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We are Azem, the 14th member of the Convocation. But we were sundered into completely different people on each of the shards. So consider it like one base soul with spokes. Our aether has always been unusual and dense so more than likely we have the rejoined people that traveled back along their spokes to the base from the previous Rejoinings. Now Ardbert is there. So he's not there in our spoke all the time, but when we need him to, he can come hang out in our spoke like when he spoke to Hades and when Seto needed to get closure. But the whole point is that we all were our own people.

We also don't know who the heart of Hydaelyn is. Maybe it was us. And maybe that "base" where they all reside is the heart of Hydaelyn directly connected to our soul.

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The heart of Hydaelyn was Venat, not the PC WoL. The ones who wanted to summon Hydaelyn tried to get in touch with us (the 14th defector) but we weren't answering the phone... all of this was said after we ran through Anyder... and shown via the crystal recordings in the cutscene.

Also, that cutscene with seto our two choices were to either tell him toclose his eyes or we ask him if there seems to be something different with our soul, in which he closes his eyes and sees through his gift that Ardbert merged with us. (It has nothing to do with the soul crystal) I would like to think it as him being able to see it that way with us pulling up his feeling and memories and Seto mentally seeing and hearing Ardbert while we loved on him.

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I'm pretty sure it's Venat, not the Defector (Azem).

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Is it? I'll have to go back and watch some cutscenes. I didn't think they come out and said it just that Venat had led that faction, so there was still a chance it ended up being us, maybe so Venat didn't gain that sort of power or something.

If Venat is anything like in XII, we don't want someone like that in a position of power. Though it would go along with how the Ascians think Hydaelyn is bad.

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Is it? I'll have to go back and watch some cutscenes. I didn't think they come out and said it just that Venat had led that faction, so there was still a chance it ended up being us, maybe so Venat didn't gain that sort of power or something.

If Venat is anything like in XII, we don't want someone like that in a position of power. Though it would go along with how the Ascians think Hydaelyn is bad.

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in the cutscene the second crystal memory that had popped up had two Amaurotians one being Venat talking to a worried one about Venat becoming the heart of Hydaelyn. And thats also when they revealed that Elidibus also became the heart of zodiark when Venat said something along the lines of thia was probably how the convocation felt when Elidibus became the heart.

Venat, also in that cutscene assured the other that they would always recognize the form Venat took because they had the ability to take on whatever form they desired.

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in the cutscene the second crystal memory that had popped up had two Amaurotians one being Venat talking to a worried one about Venat becoming the heart of Hydaelyn. And thats also when they revealed that Elidibus also became the heart when Venat said something along the lines of thia was probably how the convocation felt when Elidibus became the heart.

Venat, also in that cutscene assured the other that they would always recognize the form Venat took because they had the ability to take on whatever form they desired.

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Hahah, well hopefully that's not just a throwaway mention and they fully manifest the sneaky bugger Venat is. Now I really am wondering if it was a low key clue.

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If Venat is anything like in XII, we don't want someone like that in a position of power.

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Are you sure about that? From what I recall, FFXII's Venat was an outright hero, at least compared to her fellow Occuria. That she was allied with the game's villains (Doctor Cid and Vayne Solidor) had more to do with them sharing the same ideals (reins of history in the hands of man, not gods) and having genuine kinship between them.

I see the thread has spawned quite an interesting conversation about the Heart of Hydelyn! I didn't remember the Venat cutscene, though I feel in relation that the whole Amaurot story became a bit murky in some points. Part of me feels they bit just a tad more than they could chew, though on the other hand it gives so much food for thought!

For myself, I fear I may start repeating myself if I keep answering too much, but I'm gonna keep a close eye on the thread as it goes. I'm so happy so many have come to chat! Love you all! <3

-Viv

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Are you sure about that? From what I recall, FFXII's Venat was an outright hero, at least compared to her fellow Occuria. That she was allied with the game's villains (Doctor Cid and Vayne Solidor) had more to do with them sharing the same ideals (reins of history in the hands of man, not gods) and having genuine kinship between them.

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Venat was manipulating things behind the scenes and trying to put fate back into the hands of Man but they always seemed to be only "good" when placed against the other Occuria who were decidedly not. Neutral if anything.