Cataclysm weapons: SEVEN WEEKS!?

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

An opinion that can only come from someone who has never pugged an EX.

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lol "I have garbage luck with parties, so clearly you've never pugged before" is always my favorite argument.

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Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien

So did I. Currently 8/10 PUG's for Ruby Ex fail horrible due to people messing up the easiest mechanics. Farming Ruby is more annoying then farming Hades ever was ...

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Just standard pf luck then, i farmed out my 10 clears in about 3 hours then never went back, we're on the same DC too so its just standard luck

8 for me as I missed a week *sad face*

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Raider or not, everyone still wants to get more powerful in an RPG.

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I've got great news than, you can buy yourself 2-5 items depending on slot before grinding away for your weapon in week 7 so you are totally free to get more powerfull even before you can grab a weapon stone doing normals

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Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien

So did I. Currently 8/10 PUG's for Ruby Ex fail horrible due to people messing up the easiest mechanics. Farming Ruby is more annoying then farming Hades ever was ...

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Really? I thought Hades was the most unfairly-designed DPS check I've ever seen in the game. I never had to try so hard in order to clear something. On my first clear, we played it perfectly and still only cleared it with a couple of seconds left before enrage, even though we played that last phase perfectly with no deaths or debuffs.

Compare that to Ruby Weapon, where you can have multiple deaths during the first phase and still just power through to the next one, and kill it before even the first Outrage. The fight is a lot more forgiving, not to mention mechanically easier and less stressful. Especially because you don't go back to the very start if you die during the second phase. lol

So...they are doing what they've been doing for awhile now. 7 to start, 4 later when the requirements are nerfed.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Really? I thought Hades was the most unfairly-designed DPS check I've ever seen in the game. I never had to try so hard in order to clear something. On my first clear, we played it perfectly and still only cleared it with a couple of seconds left before enrage, even though we played that last phase perfectly with no deaths or debuffs.

Compare that to Ruby Weapon, where you can have multiple deaths during the first phase and still just power through to the next one, and kill it before even the first Outrage. The fight is a lot more forgiving, not to mention mechanically easier and less stressful. Especially because you don't go back to the very start if you die during the second phase. lol

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see, that here is why parsers being forbidden is such an issue, no offense here god knows who was underperforming for you guys, but compared to most savage fights at least hades enrage might aswell be nonexistent. Mind you the enrage on ruby really falls into the realm of "if you managed to reach this point you either wiped your way through the fight or i just don't want to know", like heck that thing is lenient.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Didn't deepshadow start at 7 weeks and then get nerfed? Or am I totally misremembering that
I thought that's how it's always been done

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Still, don't you think that 7 weeks of normal raid and 3 weeks worth of tomes is a bit much for an item?

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

(because there's no way people play multiple roles/classes in this game, by the way)

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Generally it is intended for these games that you specialize in one role/class and that the equipment status reflects that.
As for the shelf life: don't care that it's 1/3rd. 10 item levels is nothing in this game, it's not as if your char suddenly can't do the content because you don'd have the weapon.

Trust me: if the tome gear would not exist and people would have to kill E8s for a similar weapon, it's useful life would be much MUCH shorter to nonexistent for most folks. Most raiders progress for months to even be able to pull the last boss, not to mention to kill it.

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How often have you chased after ultimate weapons/equipment in games where you absolutely didn't need them to be able to win?

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You mean in single player games? Never, because I don't like pointless grinds.
I am not a stats person. Even when raiding savage/mythic I never really cared about the gear. It was merely a tool I needed in order to be able to tackle the next challenge.

Unless the gear looks pretty. Then all bets are off.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Really? I thought Hades was the most unfairly-designed DPS check I've ever seen in the game.

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o_O
You're joking, right?

RIGHT?

Please tell me that the above is a jest. B/c the enrages of ex trials have always been a very lenient one compared to savage.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Still, don't you think that 7 weeks of normal raid and 3 weeks worth of tomes is a bit much for an item?

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No I don't. As I said: most raid groups will take far longer than 7 weeks in order to get their weapon.
Sure, really good raiders blitz through in a week or two but that isn't the norm.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Still, don't you think that 7 weeks of normal raid and 3 weeks worth of tomes is a bit much for an item?

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Not at all.