Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

The reason why they normally don't accept outside evidence

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played this game week before ShB release, so i probably missed a lot of drama. but afaik its not "they normally dont accept outside evidence" but more like "they never accept outside evidence"

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

also that account posting on PF is probably a sock account anyways so banning it would just be a minor annoyance to them

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let's pretend that it is a sock account, doesnt rule still need to be enforced to be taken seriously??
i mean, that streamer also have an alt.

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Originally Posted by Tomoebi

played this game week before ShB release, so i probably missed a lot of drama. but afaik its not "they normally dont accept outside evidence" but more like "they never accept outside evidence"

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Uh its clear that they do accept outside evidence you can see in the conversation Arthurs had with the GM he linked the Twitch video as the reason why he is banned.

Did you not read what I said the reason GM's wont accept certain outside proof is if it cant be proven to be linked to that player in game. If you play the game on twitch and are streaming yourself playing that doubt doesn't exist and are still bound by the TOS and I already told you that ban's have happened via pics on social media in the past so "never" is not correct.

Arthars and Xeno are well known for being toxic, the sad part is I'm not surprised, I'm only surprised it took this long.

But if this now sets the precedent that you cannot absolutely "slander" players outside of the game, including Discord, that's the precedent that's set - as long as someone can find you bad mouthing another player and link whatever profile you have to your character, you'll get a 2 week ban for your troubles.

Man I'm going incognito on Discord, taking my char off Kupo bot and just never talking in PF again lol. I still remember when I got a two week ban from forums for sarcasm, yet I've said so much worse before that ban and after it and that is why it becomes absolutely impossible to draw the line, because the reality is I've always been a direct and harsh poster, but I stopped after my ban because SE transpired to be big softies, but then I saw what other people were getting away with and matched it. Will be painfully ironic if I get suspended again now, but it's the honest truth, your "grey area" is total trash lol.

And total trash is the understatement of the century, because when we, the PvP community, presented you complete undeniable evidence of players wintrading and selling boosts, you didn't care two moogles on the basis that it was outside evidence and so you couldn't accept it. Youtube videos, twitch vods, discord message logs where the player could clearly be linked to those accounts of players even admitting to do it - but because there was no /tell of it happening, you took zero action. There's one specific player that's been boosting around 15 accounts a season for over a year and it's at the point we just stopped reporting it because we couldn't prove it IN-GAME. The last player you banned in PvP? Oli - and only because he was stupid enough to sell his FRC account in the run-up the regionals - if he'd been smart enough to do it after; you would have never caught him lol; just like none of the other players who have blatantly sold their accounts with titles/mounts have been. What a colossal joke. The worst part is I constantly defend your inaction and I don't even know why.

I do not think harassment outside of game should be within the bounds of an FFXIV GM. I'd have to read over their ToS again, however.

If they were going to try to play the ultimatum game, trying to make me remove a vod or whatever, I wouldn't remove it.

He shouldn't be using illegal third party programs, period. More parse elitists, degenerate modders and cactbot cheaters need to be banned.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I do not think harassment outside of game should be within the bounds of an FFXIV GM. I'd have to read over their ToS again, however.

If they were going to try to play the ultimatum game, trying to make me remove a vod or whatever, I wouldn't remove it.

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The ToS specifies that it applies as long as the activity is connected to the game it applies so streaming the game would fall under that category.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

The ToS specifies that it applies as long as the activity is connected to the game it applies so streaming the game would fall under that category.

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They shouldn't have the power or think that they have the power to force takedown a video. That should be taken up with the video streaming service. From what I have gathered they are giving this player an ultimatum, because of this, Ridiculous. "Take it down or harsher punishment" right? Heck to the no, they want it down, they better do it properly.

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Originally Posted by DuskTS

He shouldn't be using illegal third party programs, period. More parse elitists, degenerate modders and cactbot cheaters need to be banned.

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While they could theoretically ban every streamer who uses parsers and gets reported under this policy they're following, it's doubtful they ever will because they're plenty aware of how much backlash they'd get.

I'm all for them doing away with people if they're open about using bots and hacks, though.

Badmouthing other players is the highest chance you will get banned in this game period.

What about all these players trying to sell Ultimate and Savage Clears in PF or boosting players to top 100 in Feast they dont seem to give a fuck up about this kind of abuse.

Third party programs is not high on the list either alot of the big streamers are using ACT triggers and parsers when they stream and SE doenst really give a fuck.

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Originally Posted by snipski

Third party programs is not high on the list either alot of the big streamers are using ACT triggers and parsers when they stream and SE doenst really give a fuck.

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You can use parsers, but you shouldn't give people hell about it.
From what I heard Arthars did drag the 'bad' people their names on stream and highlighted them with sound effects and whatnot, making it even worse.