The Copied Factory too easy?

In my first run the healers were the MVP's who kept it from a wipe, as a DPS it felt busier than previous 24 man raids with the pace of attacks being faster (I guess to get more of a Nier feel), but I could adapt, especially as a DNC with mobility, but my mistakes were accounted for, so it felt easy, but the healers in my run looked super busy. I've yet to try healing it myself and may do when I run it over the weekend.

But not every first run Ive done of a 24 man has resulted in wipes. Though I can at least claim credit for wiping my first ever LoTA back in the day, I didn't know about the platforms...

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Did you just generalize over a quote from one random person in a 24 man raid lol

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Have you actually been inside? It's a clown fiesta every time.

I don't think its to easy I always see tons of deaths during it. If lag any during it you die a lot. If they fixed lag problem in there it would be easy. No raid is easy anymore with all new players that's still learning. Been few time my team in there had to carry other 2 teams in it. One time it was just me and my teams tank alive the we finished killing boss in there.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

They could not (and I repeat, could not) have made it a hard raid because around 90% of the players in there are only enduring such "hardcore high end pve content" (actual quote from someone with a weeb name and glam I saw inside) to get their pixel butt skin. This forum would be burning if they could not clear it with their usual 19 stacks of vulnerability up and a single carry player per alliance.

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I have not seen anyone in the groups I've been in with stacks greater than 2, but then I can't see the debuffs of the other 2 groups so.. but if you're seeing someone with 19 stacks, then I wonder how those healers don't just drop from the groups, that's is about 5x normal damage, meaning 1 AOE/raid wide attack is gonna kill somebody outright.

In case you got woosh'd there: It was a hyperbolic example.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

I finally did this raid myself today.

It doesn't help it's my first 24man, I never had time to do the previous ones, but...

I noticed that a lot of the mechanics were either difficult to see the markers/tells, or they gave you <1 second reaction time/margin of error and everything does 80% of your health in damage and puts vuln on you so that you're guaranteed to die next time you get hit unless you got some shielding on you.

I was getting hit by a lot of stuff I was like "Um, OK how I was supposed to dodge that again?" I'd be fine one second, and then dead the next when there were no tells, no glow, no ground markers, nothing. Just BOOM. dead. I can only assume it has to do with which way the boss is facing, but with 15+ people standing ontop of it, that was nearly impossible to tell which way it's facing amidst all the chaos.

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This macro will turn down the spell and skill effects of other players and make it easier to see tells:

/bfx party off
/bfx other off
/soundeffectsparty 50
/soundeffectsother 20

You can turn it back up after, if you like:

/bfx party all
/bfx other all
/soundeffectsparty 100
/soundeffectsother 100

For me it felt like the difficulty was just right. I noticed this too when I did it I was like "How does everyone already know what to do", then I took into account it was 12hrs after release and people had been farming it all day for the set and by then learned everything.

Would like to see more fun mechanics like mathbot come back though.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

I noticed that a lot of the mechanics were either difficult to see the markers/tells, or they gave you <1 second reaction time/margin of error and everything does 80% of your health in damage and puts vuln on you so that you're guaranteed to die next time you get hit unless you got some shielding on you.

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Mechanics like this means: you have to read the name of the enemy cast and move before the marker appear. Focus target is your friend.

In some cases, like the 4 different arm attacks by Engels, you have to look at him to see which one he does.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I don't think its to easy I always see tons of deaths during it.

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The fact that one group CAN solo Hobbes is evidence it’s easier. It depends on the alliance you have, but after running it a good amount, I think it’s certainly one of the easiest raids on release.

The 1st 70 raid had way more punishing mechanics than the Copied Factory, which I think is very forgiving. I felt the same way about the 79/80 msq trial honestly, raids/trials are getting easier than the last expansions content.

It's the first alliance raid of the new expansion. Those are always the easiest.