You're essentially asking for a toned down version of Savage as an intermediate, which defeats the entire purpose of learning the fights in Savage itself. Normal exists both for story progress and a showcase of what Savage will offer without revealing everything. Adding a "practice" mode would make Savage even easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saranade
EX Primal are the intended gate way into harder difficult for those wanting to go into Savage with more confidence. If you can do EX Primals, you're pretty much set for the first two Savage fights.
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11-02-2019, 02:55 AMForteNightshade
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11-02-2019, 02:59 AMHyoMinParkExcept, in a way they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saranade
Speaking for this tier, E1N is virtually the same as E1S minus the orb phase is actually far easier to do in the latter. E2N has the same mechanics that are present in E2S; E2S just has more adds and more randomness in how they can spawn, Flare mechanics, and the final Quietus phase (which good groups don’t even see). E3N is virtually the same as E3S for the first half of the fight. The only things different between it and normal mode are the Tsunami mechanics, Stormy Horizon (which is basically just repeated AOE damage on the party), and Black Smokers (which good groups skip entirely). E4N has mechanics present in E4S, but E4S has Titan Maximum, which is a Savage-exclusive phase; in addition to a few additional mechanics in Phase 1 and Phase 3, but the normal mode mechanics are in there. There’s just more, harder mechanics you have to learn because this is harder content. That’s kind of the point of the content.
Last tier (Alphascape) was also a really good example of normal mode mechanics being present in the Savage equivalent. O9N and O9S were virtually identical—you just handled orb phase a bit differently. O10N and O10S were exactly the same, except Midgardsormr had a third pattern (2 flips formed an intercardinal cross). O11N had mechanics that O11S had, but O11S had back-to-back Starboard-Larboard (in addition to Pantocrator, and there were no Duty Actions in Savage). O12N, same thing.
When the developers design the normal mode raids, they actually design Savage first, and then remove mechanics and scale down damage for the normal modes. By this design, normal does prepare you for some of the mechanics involved in Savage; just not all of them. And I think that’s the way it should be: just like the old raids and Primals can prepare you mechanically for things you might see in the Ultimates, but not entirely.
And you actually can sometimes find EX mechanics in Savage—there is a mechanic in E2S that came from Sophia EX (a primal back in HW). The tumults and Earthen Fury in E4S come first from all the Titan iterations before it (Titan HM, Titan EX), as does Landslide: it just looks different in E4S, but serves the same purpose of “don’t stand in this or you are deader than a doornail”. They also prepare you for Savage content by being the only other content with things like enrage timers, making players understand the importance of DPS checks and personal damage output: if you cannot beat an Extreme primal’s enrage, you won’t beat a Savage boss’s enrage. So you probably shouldn’t discount the Extremes as much as you are. -
11-02-2019, 04:17 AMGranyalaThen no one will do it becase it is not worth their time when they can just watch a video as prep work and do the "real thing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Saranade
Seriously, either open PF groups yourself, so you can set the rules and find like minded folks, or get a static.
My static does it like this: first raid evening on a new boss we go in blind. After that, we expect people to know the general layout of the fight (personally I prefer written stuff over videos), so we can save time and work on specifics. We're having a hard enough time as is, beating stuff in a timely manner and figuring out every obscure mechanic for ourselves is beyond us and we accept that fact.