Instanced Housing. We're angry!

They are not going to make a new housing system without deleting the one already in game so I don't see this happening. Just like how they stopped multiple houses being owned by one player but they didnt take any houses away from people who already owned multiple plots. It's just a no go for the players who already have a house and they already have a system, they just need to keep fixing it.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

They are not going to make a new housing system without deleting the one already in game so I don't see this happening. Just like how they stopped multiple houses being owned by one player but they didnt take any houses away from people who already owned multiple plots. It's just a no go for the players who already have a house and they already have a system, they just need to keep fixing it.

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You don't know this, and have no way to know it. Conjecture will get us nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Nix

You don't know this, and have no way to know it. Conjecture will get us nowhere.

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True, but every time something comes up they give an excuse about how there isnt enough memory. I'm mostly saying this to people who think that they would replace housing with a new system completely, because they didnt get a house. If they did, then the other half thats happy with the system now would lash out to the change and no one again would be 100% happy.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

True, but every time something comes up they give an excuse about how there isnt enough memory. I'm mostly saying this to people who think that they would replace housing with a new system completely, because they didnt get a house. If they did, then the other half thats happy with the system now would lash out to the change and no one again would be 100% happy.

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There are many ways the system could be amended that will 1) allow those who already have their property to keep it, and 2) make it easier for people to obtain property if they wish.

If they were to add instanced housing, there's likely no way that they'd get rid of the wards - perhaps they wouldn't add more, but I don't see them scrapping the wards as they are well-established. Plus,. instanced housing could be added in a way that doesn't devalue the houses in the wards. As others have stated in the many housing threads; they'd be happy to get instanced housing added even if it were grindy/expensive as hell - perhaps even more expensive than what is already available in the wards because at least they would have a fair chance of obtaining it.

Housing doesn't have to be a one-or-the-other system; and I say this as someone who has arguably benefited more from the system than most.

Well, the general theory of restored Ishguard being instanced housing would solve the issue: everyone have have a 'lonely' house there or try their luck at one of the 'neighbours included' wards.

Instanced houses wouldn't have the need for demo, so many individuals would choose to relocate there rather than risk losing their house because they couldn't sub for a month or whatever, freeing up more spaces on the existing wards, to be used by FCs who actively need a Ward house for a workshop, or individuals who just definitively want a public house.

Gardening with crossbreeding could be done, but given it's an inhospitable environment, there's be a thematically appropriate ability to make it less likely to cross-pollinate or producee seeds and/or reduce crop yield. So yes, everyone can make T.Onions or whatever, but it'd take longer and more effort to grow there than it would in an open Ward garden. While the excessive prices would inevitably drop, that'd stop the market totally crashing, and to be honest it's already unfair that someone who lucked into getting a house can price-gouge someone who didn't so bringing the intercross market down a bit (and limit it to profiting off those who are impatient rather than just unlucky isn't a bad thing).

I'm lucky that my FC wanted a house, but I'm the only one who cares about decorating, so I effectively get as much from it as a personal house, just with added private chamber and workshop. I'm enjoying it so much I'd love to get a personal house, too, even with having the run of the estate. However, having spent so long failing to win the click-spam endurance race that is the housing purchase system for something we needed to access FC content, I cannot bring myself to buy myself a house knowing I'm depriving another FC of what we have finally gotten. Instanced housing would let me get a personal house guilt free, where I can grow stuff in the garden for me (not just T.Onions for my FC mates who refused to pay the "homeless tax" on them on the MB like I have it set up for) and do the silly decorations that they wouldn't approve of (much as they generally don't care, I was banned from moogle and choco themes outside of private chambers, much sad!).


So yeah, instanced housing as an addition would be great, and Ishguard would give a great opportunity to do it in a way that makes sense and restricts it in such a way that it doesn't undermine existing wards without it seeming arbitrary. I'll keep hoping, as I'm sure will many others who are still waiting for plots to free up.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Nobody has ever said housing is mandatory content, so stop making things up.

However, we HAVE said that owning a house is mandatory to access certain content. And it is! Despite your protestations:

- Some form of housing is required to use the chocobo stables. The stables give you the option to color your chocobo, train it with krakka root/thavanairian onion, buff it with other fruits, and I think even rename it. Luckily, the average person can buy an apartment now to do these things, but it is still housing-locked content.
- Some form of interior housing is required to grow flowers which are used to make the various headpieces. Again, we have apartments for this purpose at least.
- A yard is required for all cross breeding. Without a yard, any crafter who needs crossbred items must rely on the market board. This is unusual among crafting items, as for every item I can think of off the top of my head, it's not limited by anything except the crafter's willingness to go get the item.
- A house is required for free companies to access airships and submarines, which provide useful materials used for FC crafting. It also allowed Diadem access with an undersized party, which you could not do from the Ishgard airship landing (unsure of Diadem's status at this point in time or if it'll come back like this in the future).

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Apologies for the late response, but I feel it kind of needs to be said.

Nobody has ever said housing is mandatory, yet in the same post, say it's mandatory. So how am I making things up, exactly? You just contradicted yourself like a fair few others. But I'm not replying to poke holes.

Please post where any of these are deemed "mandatory" content, because I cannot seem to find anything anywhere that states you MUST feed / train your chocobo, grow flowers or do voyages. All of those are optional systems and yes, you do get rewarded for doing them. But they aren't mandatory, as you don't NEED to do them to progress to the final stages in FFXIV.

The cross-breeding is the only thing that is a system that a house grants you that an apartment doesn't. but to that end, you can also just buy the seeds off the MB, completely ignoring the cross-breeding factor and grow plants in a plant-pot in an apartment. Thus rendering the point mute. The voyages being an FC-only system. So I will concede the housing requirement for that, but still state it's not mandatory.

Nothing is forced upon the player. Infact, now with the addition of "community stables" outside of the apartment buildings, the chocobo feeding / training is a non-point. I do not reply with any hate or antagonistic intent, but more-so out of curiosity as to where this misinformation sprouted from.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Apologies for the late response, but I feel it kind of needs to be said.

Nobody has ever said housing is mandatory, yet in the same post, say it's mandatory. /…/

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Well yes, you are absolutely right, the housing is not mandatory to access the end game. But... is the end game mandatory ? Wouldn't you rather say that what is mandatory depends on one's goals in that particular game ? (And I'm not attacking you nor your answer, just some thoughts about why I / we play :).

You might argue that to access certain fights, you need to go through you MSQ and that is true. But then again, if your primary objective is not to do all the encounters, you could actually enjoy the game staying at level 50 with all your jobs if this is something that amuses you ; and never see any of the most recent stuff. Or you could do it for few months - the time you need to explore all there is up to lvl 50 (why not after all and not everybody is playing from day one) and continue with the MSQ later.

Of course, I'm exaggerating here and being demagogical but let's just for a second (and more realistically) put it all in the perspective of someone who might enjoy 4 man dungeons, maybe even the 24 man content and some more if that comes up but is not particularly looking for it (doesn't have the time, the motivation, the taste for it, what ever), who likes the leisurely part of the game - housing, glamour, side quests, maybe even RP (isn't it a mmoRPg after all ?). Couldn't the housing be then one of the main goals ? Or one of the main tools, thus as mandatory for that person as having what ever ilvl is needed to enter a dungeon for someone else ?

If you don't like the word mandatory (and indeed, I don't) may be we could talk about the "important part of the game" or about "something I enjoy". And what is important or enjoyable might be radically different from one person to another. Having a nicely decorated house could be as important fore someone as having the first kill of some terrible enemy for someone else.

And yes, housing is part of the game. Maybe a lesser part compared to the MSQ but SE is constantly working with it, adding new items every now and then, new crafts, new trophies etc. Enjoying housing is as legitimate as enjoying other parts of the game. For instance, the only reason I'm doing FATE for pixies is that butterfly on the wall, you see. It works for me, motivates me enough so I do something that I consider highly tedious. I could buy it (I think ?) from the MB but where's the fun ? There's a certain balance here. I'm prepared to make that effort. Instead, I wouldn't go to Eden savage with a pick up party to upgrade my equipment because… well because here, the fun factor is weight down by all the pain (may be bad experience :p). Others would do the opposite and this all it is about.

And still I'm not fond of the instanced housing. I do love the dimension system in RIFT but let's face it, SE would never allow us to play with all their building blocks (would he ? Maybe if it's all hidden in an instance…?). But I do think we should all have the possibility to buy a property without all the hustle. Even if it's a small one to start with. More wards, that's the only possible solution.

SE is not a newly founded start up operating from one's kitchen ! How come they don't have the means to finance it ? The actual system is a shame and well, I guess they know it by now. They should be deeply embarrassed. It is beyond my understanding how can they let it go on for years and years. Would it be technically impossible to open up new wards on the bases of need server per server for instance ? Was the last addition enough ? I doubt it but wait and see before going on with the fight for more housing !

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Originally Posted by Angellos

You can white knight all that you want

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These type of comments and I stop reading what you have to say. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't qualify them as a white knight.

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Originally Posted by Andromea

WSE is not a newly founded start up operating from one's kitchen ! How come they don't have the means to finance it ? The actual system is a shame and well, I guess they know it by now. They should be deeply embarrassed. It is beyond my understanding how can they let it go on for years and years. Would it be technically impossible to open up new wards on the bases of need server per server for instance ? Was the last addition enough ? I doubt it but wait and see before going on with the fight for more housing !

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They really need to do something to fix the issue and they need to start by making apartments a lot more viable for many in the community. They talked about small, medium and large apartments which could potentially be upgradeable back around 4.2 if I'm not mistaken and that really at the very least need to do that. The issue of outdoor gardening and airship (perhaps housing them at GC like they do Squads) also needs a solution given many want access to those features.

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Originally Posted by Andromea

Well yes, you are absolutely right, the housing is not mandatory to access the end game. But... is the end game mandatory ? Wouldn't you rather say that what is mandatory depends on one's goals in that particular game ? (And I'm not attacking you nor your answer, just some thoughts about why I / we play :).

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For some people they only want to stand in town and talk to others, the game contains nothing else. I hate to be trite but "you don't pay my subscription" might be the line here? Everybody plays the game differently, and everybody has different requirements of what they feel the game needs to have.