The contempt for people with disabled people in this community really concerns me

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

If someone is refusing to take advice, disabled or not, you’re allowed to kick them, so stop whining on here about how the mean disabled people wasted your time and move on. If they’re really trying to learn and are doing their best than that’s what this conversation is about. Adding easier modes for some story missions or accessibility isn’t going to destroy the game, calm down.

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QFT /10char

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Originally Posted by Awha

As someone who is on the spectrum and suffers from various learning disabilities I must say I personally lose my shit when people treat me differently due outside factors. I say it on the forums because this is not the character or server I play on, but in game I keep it to myself mostly outside close friends.

I personally feel it is unreasonable to expect a group of strangers to put up with one mistakes because of outside factors. Sure it sucks, but by no means should it be the norm to base poor play on the assumption of a disability. I get that is not what the OP is asking for but it still annoys me personally when people try to use their disability as an excuse everyone simply must accept. No person or disability is entitled to special treatment in my opinion, it is nice when it oucers, and one could argue it is the right thing to do. Does not mean we should expect it, and the end of the day each role has a responsibility and in group play no matter the reason not pulling your own weight based around the groups standards is never okay even if the reason is out of your control. Strangers are not friends or family they have no obligation to cater to a person becsuse of a disability or preference.

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I disagree, perfection should not be expected disability or not at least some leeway should be afforded for mistakes esp if a person is new to the content.

It’s not about catering it’s about being a decent person and realizing just because someone might be struggling or making mistakes it doesn’t mean they are “bad and not trying”. Offer friendly advice(not “LOL you suck git gud”) and if the response is mocking or ignoring yeah go ahead and kick but if they are responding and communicating be patient and don’t kick.

Can't know if a person is disabled unless they speak up.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

I disagree, perfection should not be expected disability or not at least some leeway should be afforded for mistakes esp if a person is new to the content.

It’s not about catering it’s about being a decent person and realizing just because someone might be struggling or making mistakes it doesn’t mean they are “bad and not trying”. Offer friendly advice(not “LOL you suck git gud”) and if the response is mocking or ignoring yeah go ahead and kick but if they are responding and communicating be patient and don’t kick.

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Since SE changed their ToS in regards to kicking in DF, people are now loathe to give advice for any reason, mentors or non, in equal parts. Getting reported for "telling another how to play" is not so uncommon as people think now, even if one says "make sure you get out of the AoEs".

My emote when I join a dungeon essentially says "if you want anything specific like tips let us know, otherwise have fun" kind of thing. If people don't ask, I don't give anymore. It just isn't worth it.

EDIT: The reason I say don't speak about your disability of any kind is something I went through.

When I played an MMO back in the day, I was an officer in a guild. People respected me and RPed as well. It was great. Then one day we were talking OOCly, and I happened to bring up my anxiety disorder and some things I have toruble with. You know, things you bring up with friends you are comfortable with.

After that day, things seemed fine until I started losing friends and then was removed from being an officer. The reason? I was seen as a "liability" because of my anxiety issues. They said I couldn't make good decisions because of it, and wanted someone more "normal".

So take it from me, just keep your mouth shut.

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Originally Posted by Awha

As someone who is on the spectrum and suffers from various learning disabilities I must say I personally lose my shit when people treat me differently due outside factors. I say it on the forums because this is not the character or server I play on, but in game I keep it to myself mostly outside close friends.

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Flamers are bad. They suck when they flame regular players, but the situation certainly sucks even more when they do it with someone who's legit trying their best but is being held down by some sort of disability. I don't know how that sounds to you, but personally, my eyes bleed whenever I witness it, regardless the person with the disability shares their situation or not (which is honestly, a completely different discussion than the one we are having here).

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Originally Posted by Awha

As someone who is on the spectrum and suffers from various learning disabilities I must say I personally lose my shit when people treat me differently due outside factors. I say it on the forums because this is not the character or server I play on, but in game I keep it to myself mostly outside close friends.

I personally feel it is unreasonable to expect a group of strangers to put up with one mistakes because of outside factors. Sure it sucks, but by no means should it be the norm to base poor play on the assumption of a disability. I get that is not what the OP is asking for but it still annoys me personally when people try to use their disability as an excuse everyone simply must accept. No person or disability is entitled to special treatment in my opinion, it is nice when it oucers, and one could argue it is the right thing to do. Does not mean we should expect it, and the end of the day each role has a responsibility and in group play no matter the reason not pulling your own weight based around the groups standards is never okay even if the reason is out of your control. Strangers are not friends or family they have no obligation to cater to a person becsuse of a disability or preference.

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Disagree. My friend does not have autism, she is physically disabled due to a degenerative disease. Sometimes it's just the two of us so I tank for her. At the start I have a macro to warn the two dps that the dungeon may take a bit longer because due to her disability she can't heal large wall to wall pulls. I don't do this because I expect special treatment, I do it so the DPS can make the decision to stay or leave the dungeon. I've never had anyone leave, in fact most of them are quite content to accommodate. And there is absolutely *nothing* wrong with this.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

OP is pretty well known for his shitposting.

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From observation.

Person: Agrees
OP: I also agree.

Person: Disagrees.
OP: What?! I'll have you know that I have-

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Originally Posted by Gula

From observation.

Person: Agrees
OP: I also agree.

Person: Disagrees.
OP: What?! I'll have you know that I have-

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Gula I seriously don’t know what you have against me, when I realized I was wrong in my response to you yesterday I apologized, so what’s going on?

My two cents, SerLuke, would be to not take the contempt you might encounter as specifically directed to your disabilities. Contemptuous people, in this community as everywhere else, addresss their contempt to anything that doesn't meet their own standards, whether it be you are slower, or you are unaware yet of what a particular marker means, or you have a higher ping/slow pc, or you are older with less brisk reaction time, or you get overwhelmed by rapidly overlapping mechanics that you don't know by heart, or you have a headache that day, or you are a first timer in the dungeon/raid, or this is the first MMO of your life and you are still trying to get your mind and fingers around it, and so on and on. Contemptuous people will address their contempt to anything at hand, from being a lalafel to not playing as if you were a perfectly programmed pawn in their championship chessboard.
There are nice, tolerant, patient, good humoured people playing this game too. People who don't label anyone and who don't mind "wasting" some time in a video game. People that can turn a bad dungeon run into smiles on everyone's face. I've met some, I swear!
Please, just enjoy the game and ignore the bad cases as best as you can. It's the same I would say for life in general, you know : )

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Flamers are bad. They suck when they flame regular players, but the situation certainly sucks even more when they do it with someone who's legit trying their best but is being held down by some sort of disability. I don't know how that sounds to you, but personally, my eyes bleed whenever I witness it, regardless the person with the disability shares their situation or not (which is honestly, a completely different discussion than the one we are having here).

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Sure it bothers me but I have no controller on how others will treat or react to me. All I do is try my best, and be kind if that is not enough for the group and they want to remove me or talk bad about me I will leave and try again. I think a lot of this stems from a mindset that certain factors warrant special considerations. I understand why this is a case, but I from personal experience I have seen people milk it excessively so my view has a certain amount of bias attached to it.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

Disagree. My friend does not have autism, she is physically disabled due to a degenerative disease. Sometimes it's just the two of us so I tank for her. At the start I have a macro to warn the two dps that the dungeon may take a bit longer because due to her disability she can't heal large wall to wall pulls. I don't do this because I expect special treatment, I do it so the DPS can make the decision to stay or leave the dungeon. I've never had anyone leave, in fact most of them are quite content to accommodate. And there is absolutely *nothing* wrong with this.

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Do not get me wrong outside of my own personal issue with it there is nothing wrong with it, but my problem is more so when people think it should / be expected for strangers to cater to those with a disability just because. Sure it is nice when it happens, but when people start expecting it to be the norm is when I have issues with it.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

I disagree, perfection should not be expected disability or not at least some leeway should be afforded for mistakes esp if a person is new to the content.

It’s not about catering it’s about being a decent person and realizing just because someone might be struggling or making mistakes it doesn’t mean they are “bad and not trying”. Offer friendly advice(not “LOL you suck git gud”) and if the response is mocking or ignoring yeah go ahead and kick but if they are responding and communicating be patient and don’t kick.

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Way I see you are asking for people to cater to you because they do not know you and because of X your level of trying should be considered good enough for the group. Just like no one is obligated to play their role well, no one is obligated to teach, offer advice, or even put up with someones level of trying,

I have never liked or understood the mindset behind one person having the right to dictate what the group does in a group content. IF the group agrees awesome, but if they do not that is also fair. No one should get a free pass because of factors that are in or out of their control.

By most cases I know my view is in the minority, just my little rant I guess.