Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

I just had that twice even though both times it was in the past 3 months. One was Tam Tara where my cousin BLM just tanked instead, but the other one I just left the dungeon (both I was healer).


You know, unlike other games like League of Legends, here you can leave and not being held hostage by baddies. Those 30 minutes are worth my sanity. There are things you can't escape: A long train ride with a broken restroom or when you had too much softdrinks at the cinema and the move just don't want to end. Or your terrible colleagues at work.

Here? You can leave them and do something else. Not being held hostage is a nice freedom!

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Originally Posted by Raldo

I usually wait until after the final boss to say something along the lines of "[Job] you should look up a guide, because your rotation is reeeeally bad". I'm not using any personal insults, but I'm not dumb, I know this still comes across as condescending/bitchy.

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I have an idea. How about not being what you just said above?
You're basically asking us to "How to have manners in DF" You're free to advise them, nicely, and if they don't take it
then either suck it up or kick if they are truly that bad...and if you decided to wait until the end, then there's barely a point in mentioning
it since they may just not care because it's the end but if you talked to me rudely I would just kick you tbh.

We really need to stop stressing far out about DF players. You go in there and you roll the die.
You get what you get.

"Hey ____ can I make a recommendation?"

Responses:
A) Okay/Yes/Etc: (Point out the issue politely and offer suggestions within reason)
B): You don't pay my sub level of arguement: Okay/GL/Cheers/Etc.

If they don't want to listen they're honestly not worth your time.

Other person: "you dont pay my sub"
Me: "Sorry, my auto-translate is acting up, it looked like you said "Please blacklist me."

You can only fit so many people on a blacklist though. :P

You guys are entertaining I'll say that.

Ridiculous to think or even entertain your or my supremacy at job/class for video game. By all means, continue you "tactful solutions" on implementing better performance while NOT acknowledging improvement in your own performance.

I have yet to play with any player on any MMO that was "perfect" I certainly am not. I get the op intention Is good and thoughtful. Good intentions lead to misunderstandings all the time.

For example I see another DRG in my raid party who is not doing combo rotations to get buffs or place debuff. I notice because that is what I main. I offer an him an explanation on how I learned the rotations from a mentor of a really tight FC....
They tell me to F---off I play what I pay....

Now, do retaliate with a real crusher, do I vote kick, or do I just let it go.

My point is no matter how badly the player imho is playing I always have an option albeit with consequence. Perhaps improving my performance to help others BY EXAMPLE is better fit then you know the usual retort---this player sucks kick----I assume they don't care because they don't listen to my advice---cant fix stupid---I've played since beta I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT (my fav)---My time is valuable learn your job or stop playing---

If you care that much of how others play a video game then maybe you need to take a break.

I will tell you why people dislike when you call them out for things: it gives off the impression that you think you're superior. As if you have the right to pass judgment on others and only you alone. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but this is how it feels when someone starts barking about someone else's game. And most of the time, the people who do this ignore their own mistakes which just makes them seem even more narcissistic. And contrary to popular belief, being formal and overly polite just makes it worse, because it just strengthens the feeling that youre trying to scold somebody from a higher place. Do not do that.

I understand, seeing somebody play in a way you don't like can be a little annoying, but unless they are having an obvious/objectively significant negative effect on the group, then leave it alone. It's not our place to pass judgments on others (and this is a reason why i feel like the current Mentor system is poor, separating players into "crowns" and "no crowns" was a terrible idea), and even if we do need to let someone know they're really, REALLY bringing the group down, you need to do so in the most chill way possible, or youre just gonna cause more damage.

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

Ridiculous to think or even entertain your or my supremacy at job/class for video game. By all means, continue you "tactful solutions" on implementing better performance while NOT acknowledging improvement in your own performance.

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I do think about and critique my own performance. Here's an example: I often get lazy on hitting Lucid because WHM can nearly ignore MP management in a lot of fights, if they go well. Meaning when things go south, I can suddenly find too much spell left at the end of my mana. But being introspective doesn't make me ignorant to poor play from others.

It's a lot easier to get a big increase in results from improving a heavily suboptimal player than a decent or better player. For a more specific example, it's easier to get X000 more DPS from the player with a bad rotation or who only wants to heal, than it is for someone in the 75th percentile to squeeze that number out of further optimization.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

I will tell you why people dislike when you call them out for things: it gives off the impression that you think you're superior.

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Sometimes, in regards to specific tasks or knowledge sets, people are superior to others. Everyone has equal worth as a human being, but the value they bring to specific circumstances is variable.

There are a lot of bad things that can happen when this difference between specific value and intrinsic worth is forgotten, in both directions.

In my opinion, you don't tell someone. I have played for a pretty long time, and you could phrase it in the nicest way possible, doesn't even matter that your intention is to help the player. Even with a mentor crown, it doesn't help. More often than not you will get a variation of the "you don't pay my sub" comment. Very few players actually go, okay I will try that. So, i just stopped trying to help people in dungeons (unless they specifically ask for help, which rarely happens), you are probably never going to see said player again anyway.

Just link them this pic and both of you have a good laugh at it. Problem solved.

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/34/347009...284183d2cc.jpg