Anyone know if blocking mitigation has been increased from 20%?

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Originally Posted by Lyth

No other tank in the game can block. The fact that Sheltron doesn't stack on top of your basal block rate is a complete non-issue. You're already taking less damage than any other tank at baseline.

This is incorrect. Passage of Arms also gives you 100% block for 18 seconds.

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I'm sorry, but you have lost all credibility after listing PoA as a viable option for personal mitigation. If a Paladin is using PoA for its full duration for no other reason than to just block damage, there's most likely a problem. Sitting in one spot doing absolutely nothing except blocking is not good.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

If you're not using the block effect, then it should be removed. It's still usable in prog in a pinch. That's not to mention the fact that PLD has more raidwide defensives than any other tank.

I'm all for buffs that make sense. Asking for Divine Veil to be applied to the entire group without a heal requirement would be one of those. But complaining about a lack of personal defensive power on a tank that is incredibly robust defensively just doesn't make sense.

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The fact that your first instinct is to say that the skill should be outright removed rather than tweaked to be made useful is very, very worrisome.

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Originally Posted by RadicalPesto

You literally just asked for blocking to be nerfed for no reason. Nobody is asking for PLD buffs, just telling you that you're wrong when it comes to this idea of PLD being op, when despite its personal mitigation being solid, it still lags behind the other tanks ever so slightly, which is fine, since it was much bigger of a gap in Stormblood. Also there's zero reason to ever use the passage of arms block effect when Sheltron is available every 25 seconds and doesn't cost you DPS.

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There is one reason I can think of. In E1S, Tanks are gonna take 3 Tank Busters consecutively during Phase 1. You'll be able to shelltron the first and second hit, but if you wanna guarantee a block the third, PoA does come in handy there...but yeah, that's an isolated case. In 99% of this game's situations, PoA is a very bad tool to be used for solely personal mitigation. You're essentially a sitting duck.

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Originally Posted by RadicalPesto

Passage of Arms should absolutely never be used as a personal mitigation cooldown, much less for a whole 18 seconds. Passage of Arms is a group mitigation button that you weave between your rotation because the party defense effect (but not the block) lingers for about 5 seconds after being applied.

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I'm not saying it should be your first choice of personal mitigation ever, BUT, when you've blown all your cooldowns in the Twinning dungeon on the previous mob packs on the bridge area just before the last boss due to a healer not doing their job, and you get to those mobs that do that flurry attack (multiple hard blows in quick succession), and you're out of oath gauge, using PoA for those 3-5 seconds in a pinch has saved my ass and my parties ass.

Again, never your first choice for persona mitigation, but you shouldn't say things like "should absolutely never be used as a personal mitigation cooldown."

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Originally Posted by TheForce

I'm sorry, but you have lost all credibility after listing PoA as a viable option for personal mitigation. If a Paladin is using PoA for its full duration for no other reason than to just block damage, there's most likely a problem. Sitting in one spot doing absolutely nothing except blocking is not good.

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See my above post. Again, shouldn't be your first choice to use for personal mitigation but the fact is is that you do get 100% block from it and in VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES I think its ok to use it (such as the above example in the Twinning dungeon).

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

See my above post. Again, shouldn't be your first choice to use for personal mitigation but the fact is is that you do get 100% block from it and in VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES I think its ok to use it (such as the above example in the Twinning dungeon).

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literally better to use clemency if you going to sacrifice a GCD, so no PoA should never be used for self mitigation , its a trash ability in that regard and its only purpose is for group mitigation.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

I'm not saying it should be your first choice of personal mitigation ever, BUT, when you've blown all your cooldowns in the Twinning dungeon on the previous mob packs on the bridge area just before the last boss due to a healer not doing their job, and you get to those mobs that do that flurry attack (multiple hard blows in quick succession), and you're out of oath gauge, using PoA for those 3-5 seconds in a pinch has saved my ass and my parties ass.

Again, never your first choice for persona mitigation, but you shouldn't say things like "should absolutely never be used as a personal mitigation cooldown."

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I agree with this. Literally only use it if it becomes your absolute last line of defense, and when you are in imminent danger of dying unless you do SOMETHING.

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Originally Posted by Stormbrand

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Clemency isn't mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Clemency isn't mitigation.

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doesnt matter if it is or isnt, it will keep you alive better than PoA ever will.

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Originally Posted by Stormbrand

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That depends on the situation. Self-healing doesn't prevent you from getting oneshot by a tankbuster. If your question is why PLD's single target mitigation suite is the way it is, then Clemency doesn't enter into the discussion at all.