All physical range DPS are perfect now!

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Originally Posted by Hakuohsama

DNC and the MCH rework really made this a mess for BRD players.

MCH is now the DPS King of the physical range dps.
Dancer got all the Buffs but has the lowest dps.
BRD has Battle Voice and 2 support skills which barely matter and dps whise between those two.

Wardens Paean and Minne should be buffed or removed for something else..
In Raids both arent usefull enough.

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I mean, Square Enix could also start trusting their players enough to give them encounters where a preventative cleanse and a healing support buff actually matter.

Do the same for the Ranged DPS CC kit (we kept heavy and bind, let's USE them) at the same time.

Anyways, yeah, bring the music back to BRD please.

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Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

I mean, Square Enix could also start trusting their players enough to give them encounters where a preventative cleanse and a healing support buff actually matter.

Do the same for the Ranged DPS CC kit (we kept heavy and bind, let's USE them) at the same time.

Anyways, yeah, bring the music back to BRD please.

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I'm honestly surprised they got rid of the crit buff on songs. It was always a fun design and represented a relatively minor DPS gain as far as support abilities are concerned. Foe I can understand getting rid of, because it's incredibly forgettable for inexperienced or middling bards. But the permanent crit buff? Even just adding that back would make bard feel like a bard again.

Or, I'd go even further. Change the buff depending on which stance you're in. Crit for Mage's Ballad, Direct Hit for Army's Paeon, and raw damage for Wanderer's Minuet. Tune them to be around the +0.5% damage range and adjust Bard damage accordingly.

If they wanted, it could be +Magic Damage (Mage's Ballad), + Physical Damage (Army's Paeon), and generic damage (Wanderers) and really make it thematically more interesting.

But even something tiny like a passive, constant, but weak aura would work wonders towards making the class feel like a bard again.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

10% dps drop because of latency is not okay. That's terrible design.

Thankfully the difference isn't that huge but MCH still feels garbage to play when you get a bad instance and start clipping your double weaves and everything in Hypercharge. The 1.5s gcds were a problem in Stormblood and they're a problem now, even if the job is more fun to play for more people. I still can't understand why they decided to double down on a bad design choices from Stormblood even though they got negative feedback on them. They even designed a charge system that was suggested as a solution for the ping problems, but then decided not to use it for Heat Blast/Wildfire! I'm glad that people are enjoying the job but I would really like to have a word with the dev who decided that this was a good base to build up from... the core problem with latency dependency is unfixed and if they keep this as the new foundation for the job, it's going to plague future job development until they're forced to do yet another rework.

Please, SE, fix this bad foundation for the future of the job! 1.5s gcds were a mistake, at least in this quantity and with this many ogcd weaves!

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No, 1.5 is something really nice.
It makes the class fast without the need to toss in tons of ogcd. If anything mnk should have 1.5 gcds too.
Now about 1.5 weaving. That is exactly why charge system is here. You don't need to use ricochet or Gauss if you spend all the charges before hypercharge.
And since wildfire stacks only from weapon skills, you don't loose anything. At worst a minor clipping at the end of hypercharge

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Originally Posted by Endariel

No, 1.5 is something really nice.
It makes the class fast without the need to toss in tons of ogcd. If anything mnk should have 1.5 gcds too.
Now about 1.5 weaving. That is exactly why charge system is here. You don't need to use ricochet or Gauss if you spend all the charges before hypercharge.
And since wildfire stacks only from weapon skills, you don't loose anything. At worst a minor clipping at the end of hypercharge

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Hell no, dont make MNK have a 1.5 gcd, are you dense? the class is already one of the least played if you add to that the fact that your skill actually doesnt matter due how this game is shit for high ping players, you will detract even more people, MCH is cool IF you have low ping at high pings is a lot less so. The gap between palyers with low and high ping is already visible on MCH, why would you add more obstacles to a class that is already strugling like MNK? This is by far one of the worst ideas for MNK, in fact for most classes this holds true. At worst minor clipping? laughable, this trully laughable.

Then what ping is considered to be bad?
I'm at 100 and I can easily weav in the hypercharge

Why not just add +% Crit Buff or Direct Hit buff to song again and change Apex Arrow that would apply a Foe Requiem type debuff with duration depending on Soul Voice gauge?

They all feel good to play - that's why i switch over to ranged DPS this time around. The classes are also pretty close in terms of strenght. But they are far for perfect:

- At this point, after talking with some really quality players, one would bring a ranged DPS just for the 1% buff.

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Originally Posted by Endariel

Now about 1.5 weaving. That is exactly why charge system is here. You don't need to use ricochet or Gauss if you spend all the charges before hypercharge.

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You're are wrong and don't know what you're talking about. You have to weave at least one Gauss Round and Ricochet to avoid overcapping because the situation where you have more than 20+s on their cooldowns is extremely rare when entering Hypercharge. Besides, avoiding weaving also means that you can't use Wildfire, Queen, Barrel Stabilizer, Tactician or any of your role abilities in Hypercharge which severely limits your flexibility since you're using Hypercharge so often. Also that "minor clipping" at the end of Hypercharge can be the difference between your Drills/Anchors landing outside the raid buff windows for the entire fight. It's bad, annoying and entirely avoidable by designing the job better to account for latency.

I know im alone here but i do preffer the bard to be a ranger.

The MCH sucks. Feels generic and unfun to play. Want the job to be reverted.