5.0 healer catastrophizing is illogical - Change My Mind

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

I'm happy for each and every SCH nerf that happened and I think after the total domination of SCH in SB they deserved it.

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SCH is still going to be plenty strong, I just feel sorry for the Ayesha's and Elias that have to play this watered down version of it.

About WHM:

Asylum having better hp regeneration inside it is a little redundant on it. It should have been something else.

Also Plenary/Confessions did not work on 10 seconds before. And they will not work now.
AST has a similar skill like confessions will work, but on demand, like a healing nuke on demand on anybody who has aspected helios on them. That doesn't sound too bad.
But it having a 10 second timer is bad. Will not work that well since planing around it on 10 seconds was a hassle.

The wings ALSO increase healing output + the 10% defensive buff. Which is nice, but makes the other 2 skills that buff healing even more useless. HOW much more healing could you possibly need?

I don't care if i do more dps than the other healers basically, even if i love dpsing as a whm, but JUST having "hue now you heal EVEN MORE, isn't that nice!" kind of is lame since asylum has potential to buff anything else.

So do the confessions. I take anything over a "largesse" on everything.


That is my main gripe with WHM. The 2 new INSTANT heals being on global cooldown don't bother me. If i can't heal because tetra/assize/bene are on cooldown and i have to move, i don't care if it's on global cooldown since i need to move and i need to heal now.


Also celestial opposition seems really weak for the cooldown it has.

AND sch needs a little too much mp, which it really shouldn't
It needs an "non heal" aetherflow dump, too.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

"find new ways to minimize necessary GCD heals - If your concern is that your personal dps will be lower because some of those solutions may now require you to GCD heal I have no sympathy."

This is the full quote from where I was curious about, for reference. The fact is, if healers are spending their time lowering necessary GCD heals, they will almost certainly be using that time to do DPS. Calling people out about complaining about lower DPS due to GCD heals being required right after saying healers would be actively working with others in their party to avoid GCDs seems...Silly to me, is all.

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Ahh, I get it now! Okay.

Maybe that's on me for not being clear enough.

I think based on the changes to healing that we are seeing we're going to see some more damage coming at us at the high end in 5.0. All healers have been given tools to deal with this better but in terms of really new additions to healing potency you see it more with SCH who tended to do the least during 4.0 simply because they had less tools.

I think a lot of the SCH outrage stems from the idea of them needing to heal more in 5.0 because they won't have the excuse of "Indom is down sorry" and those people are the ones I don't care for. There's one in this thread still popping off because like... reasons? I dunno.

So for clarity I think we got more tools because we'll have to heal more damage but that doesn't take away the idea of still optimizing with the tools we are given to do the best we can (even if it happens to be less actual dps contribution from healers sometimes) and sometimes the best you can do is... a GCD sacrificed to healing. Of the new kits let's make it count. Caring about dps is all well and good but we all need to remember that we are still healers first.

But hey, maybe they aren't upping damage. Maybe you'll be able to heal all the late tier savage fights with Indom and Star. I don't know. No one knows, it's all speculation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK6WaSRdmec

So I'm watching this video and I'm... drooling.

This stuff looks cool. I really don't get the complaining (at least about WHM, haven't seen the others yet) to be honest.

i dont think i'm gonna do that op

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Originally Posted by Maeka

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK6WaSRdmec

So I'm watching this video and I'm... drooling.

This stuff looks cool. I really don't get the complaining (at least about WHM, haven't seen the others yet) to be honest.

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So like... it's the usual problem of "casual vs hardcode". If you play WHM in dungeons, in alliance raids, and so on, it's going to be awesome. For most of SB I've been playing SCH in dungeons so I'm actually looking forward to going back to WHM for them.

Buuuut... then when you get into savage+ raids, you have to care about a job's ceiling/potential. And that's where SE just seems to be kind of treading water with WHM, not really making progress despite the changes.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

In short (because I've addressed it before) it's because WHM's partners have more healing options which means WHM should lose less GCDs to healing on their own. If you're choosing between the two healers covering something WHM should not be your first pick ever but due to WHM's thoroughput (especially compared to SCH in SB, it's most common partner) it often picked up the slack. As that slows WHM would naturally reach higher personal dps by virtue of habing the strongest dps abilities. The only part of dps contribution that remains a total mystery is how impactful rDPS buffs are.

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Ok so priority healing to oGCDs (and thus healers with more oGCDs) is a fairly reasonable argument, but was already true of Stormblood too. The other healers should be healing first so WHM can avoid GCD healing and focus on DPS. Despite this, SCH has been the pDPS king the whole expac. Because the oGCDs don't slow down DPS, the fairy exists, and so on.

So, WHM might come out on top in terms of pDPS, but... at this point we're so deep into speculation, even if the dev build potencies are unchanged.. well, IDK.

But I'll tell you what. If WHM has the best pDPS, I'll personally shut up about rDPS at least. It won't make WHM meta, but it will give WHM a niche.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

SCH Updates

• Selene wasn't useful outside of openers and niche, I'm glad that button bloat is gone now.
• Shielding Changes remove Spreadlo - good? Spreadlo was broken and if it hadn't been removed you wouldn't be able to insta-crit free Adlo now on a timer not to mention the other amazing effects of Recitation like free Indom. Dear god, Recitation is just amazing.
• Dissipation automatically returns your fairy? More SCH QoL.
• SS got a HoT, Seraph is amazing and you can finally justify Ruin II outside of a double weave like... they should literally make the abbreviation for SCH QOL instead.
• SCH may not be top healer dps anymore and I understand it's hard to come down off of a pedestal you've been sitting on for literally years. I would say I'm sorry but I'm not. SCH is going to be able to rival AST for the sheer smoothness of its gameplay and it still brings a ton to the table.

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Bane ? Energy drain ? Shadowflare ? Miasma II? Rouse ? Cleric stance ? Protec ? Eye for an eye ? There are actual reasons to complain,
it is not because you like the 20 or less buttons gameplay, that everyone must be the same.

You can't see what is coming because.... you have no knowledge on it, the proof is you are talking on healing part where everyone complains on gameplay part.

We dont need to "change your mind" that is a meme that attention seeker uses. This is nothing more than a troll thread complaining because you didnt get what you want and getting attentions for the 10k threads about "omuhgud healer broken rip" Healers are in a really good place come 5.0 and now more people are moving to giving it a chance because its finally balanced and cleaned up without the unnecessary fluff and button bloat. The healers tanks and dps are finally in harmony please dont take that away from us

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Originally Posted by guardin

Healers are in a really good place come 5.0

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What?

Howso?

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

I'm happy for each and every SCH nerf that happened and I think after the total domination of SCH in SB they deserved it.

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They are still going to dominate, even if they are far more boring to play.