Server of Freedom

Idk i hear some profanity and homophobic talk from time to time on my server. Whether these people get banned, i do not know

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Originally Posted by Maero

Idk i hear some profanity and homophobic talk from time to time on my server. Whether these people get banned, i do not know

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Dpeends on whether they get reported. I would imagine if it's a first report, they get a basic warning unless extreme language was used. Bans generally are for repeat violators.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Oh yeah, a server that advertises free speech and open talk about subjects that tend to get people reported in casual environments. What could possibly go wrong?

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Id approve of this server just to visit and see how mad max the chat would be in Limsa Lominsa.

No. "Freedom of speech" does not equate to "Freedom from consequences". It's actually quite shocking and sad that your average person hollering about "hur dur what happened to free speech?" doesn't even know what it entails. Let's also remember that we are on SE's servers (private property if you will) and they easily can show anyone the door.

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

No. "Freedom of speech" does not equate to "Freedom from consequences". It's actually quite shocking and sad that your average person hollering about "hur dur what happened to free speech?" doesn't even know what it entails. Let's also remember that we are on SE's servers (private property if you will) and they easily can show anyone the door.

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Regardless freedom of speech does not apply to any online game (or even online service) because you are abiding by terms of service, not constitutaional law. Those providing the service have the right to exclude you for any reason and literally create any rules they like.

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

No. "Freedom of speech" does not equate to "Freedom from consequences"...

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Just for hte sake of discussion, saying "Freedom of Speech doesnt mean you haev freedom from consequences" is a meaningless statement. Everything you do has a 'consequence'. Freedom to turn on the light in your room has the consequence that your room will be lit up and youll be using electricity. Its a meaningless statement to say when discussing freedom of speech and is often used as a dismissal tactic rather than address the core of the point - namely being able to speak your mind and having people self determine what to do rather than having a system crack down on your expression.

So this would be a person saying "Hur Dur The moon is made of cheese" and people on an individual level deciding that they dont have to listen to you (so they block you), dont care (take no action), or engage with you to discuss the statement. What people dont want is when someoen says "Hur Dur the moon is made of cheese" for another person to say "I should not even have to bother hearing that blasphemy. GMs punish this heathen!" which results in said person being silenced/banned.

There is more distinction and nuance but thats the over/under. But yeah saying "no freedom of consequences" is moot. Everyone knows theres going to be some kind of consequence. Its just a matter of what that is and who it infringes on.

Now back to whatever were talking about again.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then, every player banned for harassent gets thrown there without the option to change server. And you put that server on its own datacenter so that it can't participate in any cross activities. Basically, this would create the first MMO penitentiary.

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So kinda like how people who keep causing mayhem in GTA all get lumped together?
(My brother was one of these, and he stopped playing the game because he didn't like everyone else there XD).

Where I am from, crude language is often used in everyday conversation, so I can see how a freedom server can have some appeal.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Regardless freedom of speech does not apply to any online game (or even online service) because you are abiding by terms of service, not constitutaional law. Those providing the service have the right to exclude you for any reason and literally create any rules they like.

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If thats the case se owes us all our money back and make the game free 2 play

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

If thats the case se owes us all our money back and make the game free 2 play

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It doesn't really work like that. We agreed to those terms and conditions when we first ticked the box and started to play. They legally don't have to do anything.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

It doesn't really work like that. We agreed to those terms and conditions when we first ticked the box and started to play. They legally don't have to do anything.

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Actually we could win the argument that we didn't easily with a signature they got nothing lol