Griever

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Its still really stupid to say why have gunblade when we have a weapon skin or a class that uses a gun with no slashing or explosive attacks from the barrel at all,
When jobs obviously have there own flare to them.

"You want gunblade lol just glamor lightnings weapon on paladin but you can't shoot or explode but its the same thing right"

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The thing is that the iconic game for the gunblade, FFVIII, doesn't actually have shooting or exploding with the gunblade. If I remember correctly how it worked, it didn't fire a projectile; pulling the trigger simply triggered the "shot," which set the entire blade to reverberating, and that vibrating blade inside a target being slashed through dealt critical damage by simply ripping through the target rather than a clean cut. You didn't fire an actual bullet--there was no projectile launched at all.

In that sense, Lightning's gunblade is the most true to the idea of a "sword that shoots as well."

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Umm...

Also I think Thordan was somewhat relatable, he at least had a valid motive and that to me puts him more in line with Gaius than Zenos.

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That's cool. I mean the guy's a deceitful tyrant, racist, and megalomaniac, but if you can find something relatable about his motives your perception might be better than mine. I can even relate to Nidhogg before I can Thordan, but my views might be clouded by his treachery and life-term damage to the WoL. Like I said before, I felt really bad about how things ended with Gaius. With Thordan though, I felt nothing but justice.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

That's cool. I mean the guy's a deceitful tyrant, racist, and megalomaniac, but if you can find something relatable about his motives your perception might be better than mine. I can even relate to Nidhogg before I can Thordan, but my views might be clouded by his treachery and life-term damage to the WoL. Like I said before, I felt really bad about how things ended with Gaius. With Thordan though, I felt nothing but justice.

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Yeah. Nidhogg at least had a justifiable reason to declare war on Ishgard. His sister was murdered in cold blood. Thordan, while smart, was crazy. The Ascians played a bit of a role there, but still.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It was Squalls idol, it personified strength for him, so therefore followed that in his mind it would be the most powerful creature and he'd be unable to beat it.
The symbolism is about him holding himself to an unattainably high benchmark, that he's unable to accomplish on his own.

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Ok, 8's loopy story aside (relax, just joking at the rest of the conversation), I just didn't feel like the game did enough to establish this significance. I may have forgotten something, it's been a while, but I can really only remember one point in the game where it's seriously discussed. And even then, it still sorta falls short of establishing just how highly Squall thinks of it. "It's just a bit of jewelry that I thought looked cool, and I gave it a bit of anthropomorphization in my head as the sort of badass thing I thought it would be." It still comes off as goofy that it turned out to be a boss at the end. Maybe if we ever found some drawing Squall did of his fursona, or it came up more that he used it as a personal talisman for strength, or something.

Idk. As weird as 8 got, I was able to roll with most of it, sort kept up with everything. But for me, Griever in particular always stood out as a "Wait, what's going on, why am I fighting this?" moment.

At least it wasn't as bad as Necron in 9, tho.

Griever would have benn less goofy... if Squall drew him as his fursona...?

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

this would have to imply that besides the odd mention of squall for spin off games, or triple triad, SE would have to acknowledge that ff8 was a thing, and if they do that they might have to make a remake...

HEY SE WHERES THE REMA- I MEAN GRIEVER FIGHT!

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They already HDing a lot of things in FF Mobius FF8 event.... They even got Squall to do the Balamb Garden salute...
https://i.imgur.com/GTBOm6v.png

Even Balamb Garden been HDed in FFMobius FF8 event with Classic FF8 Squall....
https://i.imgur.com/ypbBFWx.png?1

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Originally Posted by Uielyave

..Was gunblade actually confirmed? I personally think it's a stupid idea for a class. You have Machinist, you dont need an entire class surrounding a stupid and impractical weapon like "Gunblade". Rdm and Machinist fit in to those roles anyway, RDM beign ranged + melee and Machinist having Guns.

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All of the Garleans we've seen have some sort of gunblade so far, including Zenos (his sheath for the 3 swords very much looks like a gatling or cannon).

Also, that's not how gunblades were used in FF8 - you used it as a melee weapon, timed trigger-pulls did extra damage. Also, gunblades are a real thing in history.

I have a hard time not calling this a gunblade, though (taken at 2:04 of the trailer).
https://i.gyazo.com/f5da61b6d9d0f817...4d0226c459.jpg

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

All of the Garleans we've seen have some sort of gunblade so far, including Zenos (his sheath for the 3 swords very much looks like a gatling or cannon).

Also, that's not how gunblades were used in FF8 - you used it as a melee weapon, timed trigger-pulls did extra damage. Also, gunblades are a real thing in history.

I have a hard time not calling this a gunblade, though (taken at 2:04 of the trailer).
https://i.gyazo.com/f5da61b6d9d0f817...4d0226c459.jpg

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It has a revolver chamber, a sword grip, and a trigger. If you go forward a few seconds, you can see that it has a barrel mimicking the Garlean standard issue gunblades- only on one side, and notably shorter than the blade. We've also only seen two types of gunblade in XIV, those being the standard issue model that Heirsbane uses(Model IX in the JP version, I think?) and the custom one Regula had. The other hybrid weapons we've seen have been tonfas, shields, and a lance.

Zenos strictly uses katanas after having gained an appreciation of them during his subjugation of Doma. We still don't know what the weird drum sheathe does if it does anything at all. The Ala Mhigo fight makes it seem like it just charges the holstered swords with aether.

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Originally Posted by Zeich

The thing is that the iconic game for the gunblade, FFVIII, doesn't actually have shooting or exploding with the gunblade. If I remember correctly how it worked, it didn't fire a projectile; pulling the trigger simply triggered the "shot," which set the entire blade to reverberating, and that vibrating blade inside a target being slashed through dealt critical damage by simply ripping through the target rather than a clean cut. You didn't fire an actual bullet--there was no projectile launched at all.

In that sense, Lightning's gunblade is the most true to the idea of a "sword that shoots as well."

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Well if you take a look at Squall in Dissidia he does a lot of explosion/blast effects do come from the Gunblade with most of his attacks.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Griever would have benn less goofy... if Squall drew him as his fursona...?

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C'mon, laff a little.

No, but really, imagine how good the foreshadowing could've been if there were pictures of Griever at the orphanage. An actual indication that this is an identity that Squall has been idolizing since childhood. Now that could've had some actual impact being called out as a boss.