(Spoilers) Ghimlyt difficulty was a step down from the Burn...and that needs to stop

The Burn isn't difficult, it's annoying. Specifically the stupidly large mobs at the end which make them harder to target for large aoe pulls. Even if we are comparing the last boss I've seen just as many deaths to bombs as I have to frost breath thus far.

I see no real difference in difficulty with this and say Arboretum. Burn was more of a blip until people learned the mechanics and the gearing up has certainly made the dungeon a lot easier than it was upon release.

Our tanks controller just died and the rest of us nin-brd-sch just did the section between second and third boss with no tank and still did large pulls lol

This is just silly for a dungeon, any dungeon.

Difficulty is not the same as Annoying.
There is a reason why this genre is dying, it literally value anything that would be considered terrible for any other genre... "Difficulty" is now "Annoying mechanics", and "Dedication" is now "Spending Time".

The difficulty of the dungeons is all wrong, as in, they are literally the same experience from level 15 up to level 70 and i dare say, up to level 80. The complexity of the dungeons doesn't increase, the requirements of skill from the players doesn't increase. All that increases are arbitrary stats, gameplay experience wise, there is no diference between any of the dungeons at all.

Sometimes they "try" to implement good ideas, but do it in lazy and "superficial" ways, like the falling boulders on the burn at the beginig, instead of forcing players to fight on such an interesting challenging enviroment, something apropiate challenge wise for a level 70 dungeon, nah, is just there, sprint and you are safe at the other end. Sohr Kai last boss arena was an amazing idea, but the platforms were too many, players never really risking running out of them or caring too much for positioning. Dungeons at levels 60, 70, should requiere player skills.

And let alone the dungeon design itself. Every dungeon is just: Corridor, circular room, corridor, circular room, corridor, circular room. Maybe square room appears. A few have something else instead of corridors, like amdapor keep hard, that last "cross" of demon walls. We need more of that. A bit higher on the DPS check. Seriously, if players cannot handle such content after 70 levels worth of dungeons and the whole massive tutorial that is levels 1 thought 50, then they just don't haven't earned the right to participate of such content and thus, they have to improve. What a revolutionary idea, players having to learn the game they play in order to perform and reach to new levels - Is almost as if im suggesting Final Fantasy XIV should work like a... Videogame.

Dungeons can only be so difficult as even players who play terribly need to be able to clear them for MSQ. If we need more difficult dungeons they would need to be side content not required for MSQ. FF14 is a game built for casuals as they say.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Sometimes they "try" to implement good ideas, but do it in lazy and "superficial" ways, like the falling boulders on the burn at the beginig, instead of forcing players to fight on such an interesting challenging enviroment, something apropiate challenge wise for a level 70 dungeon, nah, is just there, sprint and you are safe at the other end. Sohr Kai last boss arena was an amazing idea, but the platforms were too many, players never really risking running out of them or caring too much for positioning. Dungeons at levels 60, 70, should requiere player skills.

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When it was originally released the platforms on the final boss of Sohr Kai were far from too many. Most times groups ended the fight with one or two platforms left standing, and I'd seen more than a few groups wipe it. Back then figuring out positioning was key cause otherwise you'd end up killing yourself. Now it may be too many, but that is because everyone over powers it now even when synched down. Any dungeons that have teeth when it comes out will eventually fall prey to being out geared. That said I will agree the SB dungeons have been lacking the needed difficulty levels when compared to some of the HW dungeons.

The lack of bite was disappointing. Not only from a game mechanic perspective, though also a story one too. I keep seeing people claim to be impressed with how dark and grim the place looks but if you glance more closely you'll find that all of the debris strewn across the battlefield is Garlean in nature.

It's just another dull, one sided battle where major characters are shown fighting and killing enemies as if they're slicing through butter. It's a pretty stark contrast to what was supposed to be an 'unwinnable' battle.

It's just a repeat of Ala Mhigo - along with many of the same characters showing up. We also know that the writers aren't likely to kill off any of the leader figures in the story and if they do it'll more than likely be another 'fake out'. The stakes just don't feel high at all.

I've felt this way about most of the new Expert dungeons that get released. I tend to usually stress a tiny bit on my first run wondering if I'm going to cause a wipe to the group, and then usually I exit the encounter thinking...'really, that was it'? There have been a few dungeons sprinkled in over the years that are more of a wake up call, but I definitely wouldn't say that's the norm.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The lack of bite was disappointing. Not only from a game mechanic perspective, though also a story one too. I keep seeing people claim to be impressed with how dark and grim the place looks but if you glance more closely you'll find that all of the debris strewn across the battlefield is Garlean in nature.

It's just another dull, one sided battle where major characters are shown fighting and killing enemies as if they're slicing through butter. It's a pretty stark contrast to what was supposed to be an 'unwinnable' battle.

It's just a repeat of Ala Mhigo - along with many of the same characters showing up. We also know that the writers aren't likely to kill off any of the leader figures in the story and if they do it'll more than likely be another 'fake out'. The stakes just don't feel high at all.

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I'm in agreement on this. I think the WoL's Mary Sue qualities are becoming increasingly dull, and we should see much more of a fight. This is the Garlean Empire, after all. My hope is that they are doing this to make the subsequent fall from grace that much harder. Certainly, Solus has some nasty surprises planned... but they need to stop trivialising our opponents.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Dungeons can only be so difficult as even players who play terribly need to be able to clear them for MSQ. If we need more difficult dungeons they would need to be side content not required for MSQ. FF14 is a game built for casuals as they say.

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Well you'd better inform the last boss of the Burn about that. "Casual" doesn't mean mind-numbingly incompetent monkey and I think this dungeon is one of the worst in this respect.

It's part of the reason why you see people who can't even handle basic tactics in raids. This isn't necessarily so much due to incompetence as it is that the 'easier' content leaves them ill equipped for anything with actual mechanics,

I was so hyped for Ghimlyt when Yoshi said that it would have the final dungeon "feel". I thought we were going to have tough and memorable battles along the way.

Needless to say, I came out disappointed.

My first group even 3 man'd the 2nd boss after the healer died midway through, and we didn't even struggle.