“2x job” instead of “limited job” ?

Just out of sheer curiousity. Did we really need a third thread of this? Cause at this point. I think we can definitively say. This is not a winnable debate by either side. Both has valid points, both has it's wishes and desires, and by god both have made their opinions loud and clear. Though Blueyes I admit to being curious about this concept you are working on. I look forward to reading it one day.

As for the forum topic. While it does seem unlikely to do a "2x" job system. It's not entirely impossible. Well out there in the world of improbable but who knows what the future holds if enough people worldwide ask for it. I think it more likely a restructure but the idea of a restructure seems to lend credence to this "limited system" being a launching pad for ideas ala some kind of public unofficial PTR to see what happens and then release a more balanced BLU after enough data has been collected. Something which has been debated in these forums before and I'll admit, also seems pretty unlikely.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

So then it's not really a combat job to a lot of us.

The point is that I believe we both can agree that the people on my side saying that limited blu is a waste of resources are wrong. I don't think it's a waste of resources to add things to the game that players have been asking for. I don't agree with limited jobs as a concept and worry about the future of the game if they continue with the idea. I do not want the content to be removed and believe it could remain the same even if limited jobs as an idea is scrapped.

But just as it's wrong for people on my side to call what other players want a waste of resources, it will also be wrong for people on your side to call what we want a waste of resources.

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I apologize, but I can't figure out where to draw that line in the sand and say "This is not really a combat job" given what we know about BLU and the fact that combat and engaging in combat is its primary means of game play interaction. It isn't a job like the other DoM jobs I can agree to that however, but I don't view that as a bad thing.

I can agree and understand that you and others want BLU to be implemented just as if it were any of the other jobs and while I don't desire that and will continue to voice my support of what is being given to us, I still feel you all should voice your opinions on here and I'll continue to do the same. Additionally, I am not calling what you want a waste of resources, rather I am calling the use of resources on BLU A and BLU B [This conceptual idea of having 2 fleshed out designed jobs called BLU] as something I can't see SE wasting resources on.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

I apologize, but I can't figure out where to draw that line in the sand and say "This is not really a combat job" given what we know about BLU and the fact that combat and engaging in combat is its primary means of game play interaction. It isn't a job like the other DoM jobs I can agree to that however, but I don't view that as a bad thing.

I can agree and understand that you and others want BLU to be implemented just as if it were any of the other jobs and while I don't desire that and will continue to voice my support of what is being given to us, I still feel you all should voice your opinions on here and I'll continue to do the same. Additionally, I am not calling what you want a waste of resources, rather I am calling the use of resources on BLU A and BLU B [This conceptual idea of having 2 fleshed out designed jobs called BLU] as something I can't see SE wasting resources on.

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That's fine that you don't view it as a bad thing but plenty of us do. I wish that it didn't meant we have to be odds. Would like to see the sides come together so that our side can get what we want and reduce the risk of them not doing more solo content like this in the future due to the backlash. That we support each other in getting what we want AND not at the cost of the other side's request.

You might want to edit this "as something I can't see SE wasting resources on". I'm going to believe the first part of that statement and that the end was just a brain fart. Others might just see that end part and take your post the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

That's fine that you don't view it as a bad thing but plenty of us do.

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There are also plenty of people who are looking forward to it, but it is fine that you view is badly.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

You might want to edit this "as something I can't see SE wasting resources on". I'm going to believe the first part of that statement and that the end was just a brain fart. Others might just see that end part and take your post the wrong way.

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Why would I edit that? It is all part of a single statement that conveys I don't find a BLU similar to current jobs to be a waste of resources had they chosen to have made that instead or to, if it comes to be, that they redesign BLU into that, rather I find it unrealistic that SE will waste resources on designing, releasing and supporting 2 versions of BLU. If someone "takes that the wrong way" so be it, I suppose.

Still early days, don't know for sure that they aren't already thinking about expanding BLU access to content at a later date, aside from them committing to raise its level cap and add more spells. But... we do already have a lot of 'normal' jobs too... isn't it more interesting in a way for them to do something different as side content rather than cram in more balance-tuned casters to compete for raid spots. I'd like to see more 'limited' jobs if it lets us interact with the world in new and interesting ways. I think it adds a lot of value, especially for people who enjoy all kinds of casual content outside of endgame raiding.

So basically SE has two choices. A) Shelf the job citing Player feedback until they figure out how to make it a viable party based job or B) Launch it as a Limited Job and see if players enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

So basically SE has two choices. A) Shelf the job citing Player feedback until they figure out how to make it a viable party based job or B) Launch it as a Limited Job and see if players enjoy it.

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It's more of SE will Release it as is and see if people like it. because they are going with it no matter how we feel. Guess what that isn't the issue and never really should of been. SE thinks Blue Mage is Solo and truth is that's what they want it to be that they work hard to deliver it that way. I hear A) choice a lot but I'm standing with the Japanese Player Base on this one and that is Thank you SE for bring Blue Mage to the Game and now lets work on it.