Treading Dangerous Ground

I'm not saying they're not listening now, because they are. I'm saying if they listened when they should have, before the game was released, we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

this 10000000x.

i know, meowy, you may have a stroke that i actually agree with you, but what you say is completely right.

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Lol, no hard feelings. I don't hold any grudges against anyone here. It's just in our nature to argue with each other on these forums apparently.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Lol, no hard feelings. I don't hold any grudges against anyone here. It's just in our nature to argue with each other on these forums apparently.

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yes, we may disagree alot, but we both handle it like adults and don't do the "don't like it jump off a bridge" when we do disagree. i don't even agree with my wife all the time, but that doesn't make me hate her when we disagree either.

i may have a different opinion than you on many matters, but i never take different views personal. i just thought it was funny we actually saw eye to eye for a change and wanted to point out that monumental occasion lol.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

actually according to the players poll the majority stated content, not an overhaul, as the main thing they wanted. on what the majority voted for? no, they did not listen.

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http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...5f3c6910b43377

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...6f3ebf51738a11

As much as you want to continually disagree for the sake of it..I know I've passed math and therefore I know that 72% is quite a bit larger than 36%...or am I wrong and it works differently in different parts of the world? Not only that, but between battle system and content, it was a 12% difference, which means the "majority" didn't exactly vote for just content, both were almost equally as important.

Not only that:

11. Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...4faff34ed00e74


That seems to be..most did agree on an overhaul. So unless I'm reading this wrong, majority would have voted for faster updates and more communication if they "didn't vote for an overhaul"..so yes we are getting what we voted for, an overhaul (What is FFXIV 2.0 then out of the kindess of their hearts?)

Listening to players on how to manage the community vs how to manage developing the game are two completely different subjects.

The outcry was over the fracture that would happen to established communities. The outcry wasn't about how each and every player felt the merge should be handled. At a glance as the shear amount of topics and the zero to sixty in under 4 seconds acceleration of these forums, I can see how one would get the assumption that it was purely player opinions of merges.

If you take a deeper look nearly all the of context of posts were: "Don't break our communities!"

When Yoshi revealed that they had 4 ideas on how to go forward with the merges, people backed the option that allowed larger than singular LS communities to stick together, with the option for individuals to select to move as they see fit.

It is the correct move for Yoshi to listen to the player community on how to keep the community together.

Now if it came to a gameplay decision like say Auto Attack. That was a heated debate back in the day. The devs felt it was the correct way to move this game forward, a lot of players on the forums disagreed. If Yoshi then changed his stance due to a vocal minority that would have been the incorrect move.

I agree with your statement that large game play decisions should be made as player polls to get a larger consensus. Then take that info and work it into the development of game content and systems.

The players that care enough will come here to be heard.

It's the same with voters in government elections. Voter turnout may be 20%, but guess who gets to make the decision? The 20% that cared enough to vote.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...5f3c6910b43377

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...6f3ebf51738a11

As much as you want to continually disagree for the sake of it..I know I've passed math and therefore I know that 72% is quite a bit larger than 36%...or am I wrong and it works differently in different parts of the world? Not only that, but between battle system and content, it was a 12% difference, which means the "majority" didn't exactly vote for just content, both were almost equally as important.

Not only that:

11. Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...4faff34ed00e74


That seems to be..most did agree on an overhaul. So unless I'm reading this wrong, majority would have voted for faster updates and more communication if they "didn't vote for an overhaul"..so yes we are getting what we voted for, an overhaul (What is FFXIV 2.0 then out of the kindess of their hearts?)

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lol nice try. yes, people voted for drastic changes.

yes, people voted for overhaul over faster updates and more talking.

yes, the majority voted for content over combat changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over armory changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over ui changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over market changes.

so in reading those poll responses. yes, people did vote for fundamental changes and when asked about which change they wanted most it was the change from having nothing to do to having more content. the order in which things are not in line with those votes.

we got ui changes, armory changes, market changes, and battle changes first. all of those were lower on the players votes. the overhaul people asked for was content over any other type. no method you can use will skew the numbers to show where battle was higher than content in the poll. it may be different using the math in your part of the world, but 36.8>24.2 where i am from.

nice try but, try again.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

lol nice try. yes, people voted for drastic changes.

yes, people voted for overhaul over faster updates and more talking.

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Based on what you said though..most didn't vote for an overhaul.

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so in reading those poll responses. yes, people did vote for fundamental change

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I guess in your world fundamental game play changes only refers to content, not any other system. As I said, you can disagree for the sake of it all you want, overall people agreed for and wanted an overhaul to the game that was released.

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the overhaul people asked for was content

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Pretty sure you don't overhaul a game by adding content, you overhaul a game by fixing foundation systems, but after all, maybe in different parts of the world "overhaul" = adding more content, so I could indeed be wrong.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

lol nice try. yes, people voted for drastic changes.

yes, people voted for overhaul over faster updates and more talking.

yes, the majority voted for content over combat changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over armory changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over ui changes.
yes, the majority voted for content over market changes.

so in reading those poll responses. yes, people did vote for fundamental changes and when asked about which change they wanted most it was the change from having nothing to do to having more content. the order in which things are not in line with those votes.

we got ui changes, armory changes, market changes, and battle changes first. all of those were lower on the players votes. the overhaul people asked for was content over any other type. no method you can use will skew the numbers to show where battle was higher than content in the poll. it may be different using the math in your part of the world, but 36.8>24.2 where i am from.

nice try but, try again.

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You're not looking at the big picture. In order for the game to have enjoyable lasting content, fundamental aspects such as combat, armory and UI changes had to be made first. They could have put in all the content under the sun in the launch version of XIV, but it would have been ruined by the crap UI, the crap battle system and the convoluted armory system.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I know I've passed math and therefore I know that 72% is quite a bit larger than 36%...or am I wrong and it works differently in different parts of the world?

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If you passed the advanced math class you would have known you can't compare apples and oranges.