Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans

I think for the newer raids it makes sense. There are times when you'd like to gear an alt but the gear you have on said alt would be worse than playing your main, therefore greed helps. The likelihood of anyone rolling on the piece of gear you want is less since there's a weekly lockout. I don't think the ff14 team intends 24 mans to be the place to gear up your main toon, considering there are so many other avenues to get progression ilevel equipment. That being said, anyone hoping to get glamour in the old 24 mans is SOL these days.

Honestly, I would be fine with this change if only we weren't limited to two equipment drops per boss. I've gone through 4 runs without -one- caster piece dropping and that makes the All-Greed a pain.

Why should we have to go back from a bad system to another bad system? Being able to play any job you want at the time (regardless of what you are gearing) is one of the good sides of this game and you can do that with tomes, 8 man normal, extremes and savage. Alliance raids should get tokens too and not the relic from the past that Need Before Greed is.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Raids do not require a need button...

You know what they need? A token system that kicks in when you do it enough times without getting loot.

Because being 220/450 for weekly tomestones on a character, with only Lighthouse and still not having even rolled on anything really making me dislike the new raid...

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You know what, I could get behind this considering that 3.0 and 4.0 raids already have tokens in the form of the coins.
Just add an NPC that lets you trade coins for gear from raids.

Andbeforeyouneedcoinsforupgradesthough, there are THREE ways to get upgrade items: coins, hunt logs, and savage loot.


However, I also want the Need button back regardless.

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Originally Posted by Vondoomervil

I know I'm the minority (At least in the US community) But I actually like it.

Lets me be able to play my main, while have the chance to get gear on ALL other classes.

So no.... Leave it off thank you.

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There's nothing that turns off the ability to get gear for your alt classes when playing your main. The only restriction was on Needing it, since you weren't on the class where that was available. But Greed on your main has always been there. It didn't magically get turned off when you played your main. I've been using it for years to gear up my bard by running my healer. If I lost the roll to someone in the group who actually came as that class so they were able to Need it? Only fair. I didn't come as that class.

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Originally Posted by Akamadoshi

Somebody greeding on something somebody else needed, it did become issue what I experienced. It is what stopped me daring to press Greed button myself - it was horrific. And the bullying was uncalled for many times I witness.

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How? Need supersedes Greed. If someone rolled Need, the game only considers those Need rolls. The Greed rolls don't even come into it. So Greed away. You're just going to be competing with others who do Greed if no one Needs. If someone bullies you, they were idiots because they obviously didn't understand that there were two different hierarchies.

What you may have experienced was someone "calling" an item that they wanted. That's a completely different animal. That's an instance where they can't Need so they have to Greed and they're asking the party to Pass.

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

Now we just need someone proficient in moon runes to post this to the nippon side of the forum to truly let our voices be heard.

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A thread about this already exists on the JP side.

It mentions a dev post saying they implemented this so that players wouldn't be locked out of getting gear for alt classes that were too under-geared for the raid, but they'll assess the feedback they get and make a decision of whether to continue it or not. Most responses are unhappy about it (one asks, "did we even ask for this?" lol) and the highest rated responses are along the vein of "please change it back", "this just makes getting drops more difficult" or "it's frustrating watching someone on a different job take loot for a class you're playing."

I don't see them keeping this new rule for long, really.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What you may have experienced was someone "calling" an item that they wanted. That's a completely different animal. That's an instance where they can't Need so they have to Greed and they're asking the party to Pass.

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Ah, no, as stated, when someone said of needing an item it was always negotiated in peace. I was in shock when greed happened (It was not me who put greed, other players) it was few occasions I witness them getting harassed/bullied for greeding (and the ones who needed never had said anything) It was in my opinion very harsh ,, if I need an item I tend to ask the group if it is okay to. This happens a lot, with no issue. But I had experiences where it was not said, and when someone greed on something - it was terrible. But as you have suggested is always the best!

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Originally Posted by Vondoomervil

I know I'm the minority (At least in the US community) But I actually like it.

Lets me be able to play my main, while have the chance to get gear on ALL other classes.

So no.... Leave it off thank you.

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This is true for you *right now* because you are gearing 'alts', but when you are gearing a class you *really* want to get equipment for and you can't because *other* people are 'gearing their alts'... that might be a different story. Then those 40 minutes raid runs become a lot less fun and this change becomes a much bigger problem.

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Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren

tbh this comment doesn't make sense. why would someone lock themselves from weekly gear to get themselves a tank gear while they are lv10?
there are more than one way to get gear. most people gear their alts with alliance raids. in the end, though, it doesn't matter. no one rolls for the gear to be greedy. .

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Reality check people do roll because they are greedy, lol
Some do it for future glamour, etc...
Many do roll on gear they do not yet have a job for yet or are say level 25 and such. Just grab what you can and do not bother doing the 24 man for the rest of the week is what some do.