Buff Mana Shift... plz

Mana Shift shouldn't be seen as a Refresh equivalent.
It's an extra help if the support already used his refresh and the healer had to heal more more any reason/died/had to raise a lot.

We used to have none of these before. Brd/mch had to sacrifice their dps to give mp/tp back. They even already reduced Mana Shift CD.

Everything is fine as it is.

We can look it as a goad equivalent and in that case it comes off short, the MP restored are not enough to make a differance in anything and the price is cumbersome, Goad might be less useful now that TP are less punishing, but still doesn't have any kind of restrictions on it

Mana shift is not fine as is, even the trick of giving an extra F4 to a BLM is not remarkable since you are probably not running a double caster comp anway.

Manashift has a 120s cooldown now instead of original 150s cooldown. About 3000 MP transferred to a single player at Lv.70.

Refresh has a 180s cooldown. About 6000 MP recovered per party member at Lv.70.

Manashift shares the same 120s cooldown as Lucid Dreaming. SMN/RDM can use them together to recover the MP to make it basically free. However, BLM has more MP complications with Lucid Dreaming and Manashift. Manashift is not as good as Refresh, but BRD/MCH need a reason to be in parties too.

In God Kefka, some healers have only 16,000 MP because everyone on Reddit and official forums keep saying Piety is useless. Inevitably, they run completely empty on MP. Piety is not useless, since it provides economy for actions (damage and GCD efficient Cure II's) and buffer for mistakes (costly Raises). If healers are running out of MP, they need to get more Piety. If you play AST, you need more MP than other healers at the moment.

If they blindly follow low PIE builds that's their fault. If the party make no slot locked into BRD/MCH knowing MP is an issue for that specific fight that is also the party's fault.

Regardless, I do agree Mana Shift could be a bit better to mitigate this problem. But it shouldn't be as powerful as Refresh. If the burst of MP was higher to make it count without being used on CD (since it costs a lot for casters) or not costing as much MP (half of it, none?) it would be a lot better already. If shift is constantly used it actually helps already but it comes with too many cons.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

Modern fights designed to be a breeze with mch/brd double refresh is completely ballanced when double caster would be dead in the water. Groups should always require ranged physical, but casters deserve to be an off meta gimmicky job for raises sometimes (except blm, they should be amazed they're ever allowed in a group)

Everything is fine as it is.

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This is in zero way "fine as is"
Shift is barely worth using as is, costs the caster resources, can severely impact blm rotation depending on where its used, and only helps one target worse than refresh does despite it being on one person vs the whole party. It's primary use seems to be for extending foe anymore. If it's a fight where healers require mp from outside sources, it barely slides them by.

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Originally Posted by lulunami

Manashift is not as good as Refresh, but BRD/MCH need a reason to be in parties too..

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Ranged DPS are the safest DPS in the game.

They are ranged.
They are the least affected by movement requirements.
They will always have the highest uptime assuming player competence.
They bring party damage buffs.
-They do pretty good personal damage- well above any of the enrage requirements
They bring defensive utility that's universal.
They bring Refresh.

Yeah, Mana shift is fine as is. There won't be a singular reason to bring Ranged otherwise if it were better.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

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Don't forget double range has been in the speed clear meta comp for like 2 years now...

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Yeah, Mana shift is fine as is. There won't be a singular reason to bring Ranged otherwise if it were better.

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Yea kind of like what it's like for casters currently lol there isn't a reason to bring one at all outside of progression....but there is not only one but two phys range dps spot in almost everyone pf group.

There will never be a reason not to bring BRD/MCH but there isn't one reason to bring a caster...see the issue here

People really undervalue how important one Tactician use is in a whole encounter.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

People really undervalue how important one Tactician use is in a whole encounter.

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EH, it's just it's also a threat drop, so it probably gets used more liberally than Refresh does. The first use of Refresh is generally setting up the later ones so they happen when MP is tightest.

For Machinist anyways. Bards pop that !@#% like candy.