This whole Meta Party thing is hurting me. x_x

Meta is a issue. People should not have to play unbalanced classes
Being 1-2% lower or higher in DPS is one thing but classees bringing crazy buffs when you have none is broken
It's not that hard. Give each class one buff
Just don't let the same class' buff stack so there is no concern of one class' buff being better than others
It is just so easy I don't understand how they can muck it up
One buff per class. Crit, Direct hit. Damage up. Speed up. Crit vulnerability, Direct hit vulnerability. damage vulnerability.
Make each one of these twice. Half with one effect and half with 2 effects at half strength
That's 14 buffs so make one more that is a hybrid of 3 effects and bam. Everyone is useful No these are not creative but you can be creative when you can balance classes and not have people nobody wants in their group

metas wont change in 4.2, other than that smn got replaced by mnk (in it's possible meta spot and probably high personal dps)

but it pains to see, that rdm remains the only caster in any meta (prog), .. meaning again casters will have a hard time in PFs.. (Sam possibly too) ... maybe smn can still be accepted in progs??

atleast sam could shine (personal dps-wise) before 4.2, .. and smn too (even in metas)...

guess its mnk's turn to shine. , 4.3 maybe finally blm's turn xD

though, the buff/nerfs might have to do with the amount of player base in each class (SR tries to keep less played classes interesting with buffs..., overused get nerfed a bit???)

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

metas wont change in 4.2, other than that smn got replaced by mnk (in it's possible meta spot and probably high personal dps)

but it pains to see, that rdm remains the only caster in any meta (prog), .. meaning again casters will have a hard time in PFs.. (Sam possibly too) ... maybe smn can still be accepted in progs??

atleast sam could shine (personal dps-wise) before 4.2, .. and smn too (even in metas)...

guess its mnk's turn to shine. , 4.3 maybe finally blm's turn xD

though, the buff/nerfs might have to do with the amount of player base in each class (SR tries to keep less played classes interesting with buffs..., overused get nerfed a bit???)

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How many times do we have to tell you. SMN WAS NOT META.

They were pretty close, but they absolutely weren't.

Thread is tl;dr, but:

There will always be a META, and that's a good thing!

What is REALLY hurting you (and everyone, for that matter) is just how drastic the difference between META and non-META comps really is. If this gap could be lessened, it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

/thread \o/

smn pre 4.2 was not 100% in the speedkill (or prog) meta, but was the closest / best alternative for both metas.. and still a valid choice.

that "spot" has now been switched with mnk, .. seems like mnk will be the best alt in both metas (with the sight mch nerf, maybe even replace mch??)

so now, casters are completely out of the speedkill meta in any form or with alts,.. while 3 melee might just be valid in both metas

meta in 2018 lul

just play what you like smh

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Originally Posted by Llugen

What is REALLY hurting you (and everyone, for that matter) is just how drastic the difference between META and non-META comps really is. If this gap could be lessened, it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

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what really hurts and what the true issue with meta is - that people either think everything else didn't deserve a spot in any farm-party or even more shameful they take the meta-lockouts to get carried. I often got the feeling that a hugh amount of the comm think... that they won't be worth anything or aren't be accepted if they don't play a meta cls or give a fuck about meta at all.... whats sad somehow q.q

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Originally Posted by Mirch

meta in 2018 lul

just play what you like smh

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if blm wont be discriminated again and get in mosts Pfs, sure..

Just play what you want, it's why I main red mage and love playing all the healers because I feel comfortable playing them. If you feel comfortable playing a meta job than that's a bonus for you but it's not required by any means.

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if blm wont be discriminated again and get in mosts Pfs, sure

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serious question as casual myself, i always want to know if this is how most people generally act in endgame raid? granted i rarely touch that top 10% summit but, the most that i join i didnt see that kind of impression at all.

from my view, some just leave without words then another random join in, it goes on until the party got disband if we keep failing. but most of the time people still polite and at least from what i see they are having fun with it, peole say hello when they join, throwing emotes casually like nod, sit etc even sometimes kind enough to explain the key mechanic for 1st timer.

even when wiped they just still doing those silly emote, not once i ever see someone type something like noob or git gud or anything that offensive, the "worst" i've seen is "sorry guys, this party wont do, iam out good luck" or anything close to that line.