4.2 healer adjustments

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

So glad Excog wont allow you to waste an Aetherflow Charge anymore. I would have preferred to be able to manually activate it by using the skill anytime after its been applied but this current change is still miles above losing the healing potency altogether.

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That is not really true. If your target is at full health when it expires, it is still wasted. Basically just served as insurance in that situation, which is still value in my book. If it heals for half normal value, you still kind of wasted part of the value. Who ever healed needlessly still wasted their action. I don’t think it changes that much. A tiny buff, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Braven

That is not really true. If your target is at full health when it expires, it is still wasted. Basically just served as insurance in that situation, which is still value in my book. If it heals for half normal value, you still kind of wasted part of the value. Who ever healed needlessly still wasted their action. I don’t think it changes that much. A tiny buff, I guess.

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It's more than a tiny buff- there are many cases where I've put it on a tank and Eos's Embraces alone were enough to keep the tank hovering just above the trigger %, wasting the stack once it timed out. If it had simply applied the heal on time-out instead I wouldn't have had to Lustrate a few seconds later. There are arguments to be made for "predict incoming damage better" but most cases have been so close I've gotten legit frustrated because it was only a single % or two away. At that point just give me the darn heal when it's timer runs out!

It has a 45 second duration. If EOS can keep the tank above 50% HP without any additional healing outside of free regens like embrace, it was probably a really easy fight that required no healing and you would have oGld heals to spare even with the waste.

I think the more common cause is other healers continuing to actively heal, even though thry don’t need to. I guess it might matter if you cast it during dungeon downtime. Then it might go off 10 seconds into battle and be wasted.

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Originally Posted by Braven

It has a 45 second duration. If EOS can keep the tank above 50% HP without any additional healing outside of free regens like embrace, it was probably a really easy fight that required no healing and you would have oGld heals to spare even with the waste.

I think the more common cause is other healers continuing to actively heal, even though thry don’t need to. I guess it might matter if you cast it during dungeon downtime. Then it might go off 10 seconds into battle and be wasted.

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Yeah, it feels like a change that is going to really only be reflected in 4-man content. I'll welcome the change while I'm running Expert roulette. It'll allow me to coddle the tank less and DPS more.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

DB already had the CD reduction depending on lilies, same as the other abilities. It still has that. Only change is that you can now use it with zero lilies.

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Did I miss a patch note? Oo
Because last I knew, DB just wasted all your Lilies without return. That's why everyone always wanted SE to change it so it only takes one. I also never noticed it being back up earlier when cast with three Lilies. Mind posting your source, Please?

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Did I miss a patch note? Oo
Because last I knew, DB just wasted all your Lilies without return. That's why everyone always wanted SE to change it so it only takes one. I also never noticed it being back up earlier when cast with three Lilies. Mind posting your source, Please?

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It still eats your lilies if you have any (just like all of the oGlds of WHM like assize, tetra, asylum). The change is that you don’t need any lillies to use it. Basically it just now works just like all the others. It is very nice since since you no longer have to time a cure spell right before DB. Particularly nice for pre-pull when you can’t generste a lily. Lily system is still underwhelming though.

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Originally Posted by Braven

It still eats your lilies if you have any (just like all of the oGlds of WHM like assize, tetra, asylum). The change is that you don’t need any lillies to use it. Basically it just now works just like all the others. It is very nice since since you no longer have to time a cure spell right before DB. Particularly nice for pre-pull when you can’t generste a lily. Lily system is still underwhelming though.

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I got that from the notes. I'm just baffled because I could swear that the Lilies past the one you need to use DB are wasted and don't lower CD.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Did I miss a patch note? Oo
Because last I knew, DB just wasted all your Lilies without return. That's why everyone always wanted SE to change it so it only takes one. I also never noticed it being back up earlier when cast with three Lilies. Mind posting your source, Please?

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Not at all. :) Here's a screenshot of Secret of the Lily's tooltip, taken just now (so in 4.1). Note that DB is included explicitly in the cooldown reduction effect.

http://www.hiredgoons.ca/images/benison41.jpg

The reason we wanted it changed is because you can use the others with 0 lilies and it didn't matter, so you could do DB then Tetra. But if you do it the other way around (Tetra then DB), it wouldn't work. This change is nice because it removes that nuisance, but if you do have lilies, you get DB back faster, which is okay with me. :)

Perfectly happy with the DB change. I'm also of the opinion that lilies aren't necessarily 'useless', just entirely forgettable (there's a big difference). Nobody can say the potential for shaving 20% off X, Y or Z OGCD is a bad thing - it's just... Well, with or without it, we still have all bases covered. Let's hold onto hope that freeing up said system and opening it to further critique (which it no doubt will get) will lead to the system getting some attention next time. For now, I'll take the DB change and happily run with it.