Harassment everywhere

Structural criticism would be nice instead of people whining about how somebody sucks.

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Originally Posted by Ryulise

Structural criticism would be nice instead of people whining about how somebody sucks.

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And yet when it's given in-game it's most often met with silence and no change. The next most common reaction is certainly anger in my experience, even with me sugarcoating things like I'm talking to children.

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Originally Posted by Dirt-Muppet

The other day I made my first post on the forums here, not anything controversial,
or amazing, just a helpful tip (so I thought).

Immediately the response was hostility.
Can we just help each other, I'm sure it wouldn't be a hard ask ^^

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Which post was it, just curious. What could have cause the hostility with just a helpful tip? Tried searching for it but all your posts are only in yotsuyu minion's thread. The thread got delete or something?

Yeah like angry responses and salt are going to be effective at getting people to change. if anything makes someone want to change, its being nice and pointing out how they can improve. Being rude gets you NOWHERE with people.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

And yet when it's given in-game it's most often met with silence and no change. The next most common reaction is certainly anger in my experience, even with me sugarcoating things like I'm talking to children.

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Yeah, but that doesn't stop me giving the "Have you considered [suggestion]?" style tips where I feel them appropriate. I'm not perfect, not by a long shot, and I don't dare try and give full scale savage progging advice (my 9-40th percentile Savage logs tell me I'm not qualified to talk about that). But I do at least try and help bring people up to more playable standards. I think my problem with WHM might be putting too much stock in the lillies... which I think I'm doing because I want to make them useful. But generally the tips I give are the basic barebones of the job, such as managing astral fire/umbral ice on BLM.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Yeah like angry responses and salt are going to be effective at getting people to change. if anything makes someone want to change, its being nice and pointing out how they can improve. Being rude gets you NOWHERE with people.

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Thing is most of the time being nice doesn't seem to work either....at least in my experience. I get told off even if I sugar coat and try to type in the most neutral/positive way possible.

So uh I am not sure why you think people have not tried "being nice"? I mean it isn't like a revolutionary concept or anything.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Thing is most of the time being nice doesn't seem to work either....at least in my experience. I get told off even if I sugar coat and try to type in the most neutral/positive way possible.

So uh I am not sure why you think people have not tried "being nice"? I mean it isn't like a revolutionary concept or anything.

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Because being nice and tell them how they can approve is harrasment.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

I once made an entire a12s clear party upset at me back in HW by simply saying, "I don't understand why you're having me pull and use equilibrium and holmgang if the healers aren't gonna dps." Even better was half the people started saying that we didn't agree the healers should dps so that meant they could stand idle for the first ~18 seconds of the pull.

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Lol... yeah that’s the moment where people don’t understand the reason behind the strategy in the first place. At least they were right to know that is the best way. xD

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Originally Posted by Yeol

People are being too sensitive and the problem is, there are many people defending them.
"Don't hurt their feelings", "Be more considerate", "Don't ruin the fun it's just a game", "Let people play the way they want"

That led to so many people having confidence in defending their bad play. And playing poorly became the norm.

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There was a thread not so long ago about a seemingly casual player asking why people think its ok to just play poorly. And everyone got mad at them. Quite sad.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

... when my summoner use's aoe that hits all the monsters and one breaks off and says its my fauld for not being next to him...

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That's correct. The reason is the tank cannot run with his 500 mobs to you (thus, breaking/vanishing all and any aoe effects under mobs feet) to get the one mob you have.

You don't need to kiss Tank, just move your mob near enough to have him range with flash or anything else to get your mob.

We tanks want to get your mobs, but we don't want chase our dps or healers mates running away because they got hate. Running to tank, not to the other side of the duty, is the best thing to do if rogue mobs break hate from tank.