Why is NIN considered OP or highly viable?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

*offer popcorn*

*munch munch* who care of balance in a pve game since the goal in the end is to beat the challenge together, not to be the best alone, no?

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Ok. We're all working together, it's a PvE game. Time to completely axe all utility, get rid of healing, get rid of tanking, make every class a DPS and have them only do pure damage like Samurai. Every class will have the exact same amount of buttons, there will be no difference between them aside from class appearance.

We don't need to care about balance or the fact that classes usually change or get nerfed or buffed in their lifetime in a game, we'll just keep everything as monotonous and stagnant as possible.

i will ask a stupid question, do the difference of dps is that big? not really... that the whole point. do the dps of the tank change a lot the team survivability i'm not sure, yes the nin transfert of hate help, but the tank dps is far to be the most important (about 1 k less than the lowest dps)
generally outside the sam, the dps is comprise between 3500-3100 in average... what bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

*eat popcorn*

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

generally outside the sam, the dps is comprise between 3500-3100 in average... what bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

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400 in 3100 is a lot. That's 13%. I don't know what the figures you posted are (if it's just personal dps, if it's personal+raid dps, what percentile or fight we're discussing), but 10% is a lot in any metric.
It's a lot for progression, it's a lot for speed killing, it's just a lot.
I've struggled with clearing content at sub 10% (god damned Brute Justice)- it's surely not an amount that you can ignore.

(Weren't you also pretty upset when I was rallying for SMN buffs before? If a "small difference" doesn't bother you here, why would it bother you if SMN were to outdps most jobs by 10%?)

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

Also, you are making the assumption that there is always a NIN present. If there is a NIN always present due to guaranteed position for NIN to always be present than that by definition shows there is am imbalance with the NIN class.

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At endgame, NIN can be pretty much be guaranteed in every raid comp while SAM/MNK fight over the remaining raid melee spot.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

generally outside the sam, the dps is comprise between 3500-3100 in average... what bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

*eat popcorn*

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I play Red Mage. My favorite is included. Most SAMs are thankful I exist just because of Embolden alone and I'm glad I can help their damage. I am getting sick of people having this stupid pigheaded argument that "your favorite class/your class isn't included therefore you are just jelly." "You're not as good as <other class> therefore you are just jelly."

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Originally Posted by Sam26

TA is huge no question but it's also not entirety true that it's up on CD every 60 sec. in a realistic fight because you have to actually perform a Suiton Ninjutsu to be able to cast it and also be able to hit the target from rear.
It happens that your mudra CD doesn't line up to TA CD which can result in a delay which can vary. If you wait and delay your Ninjutsu for too long it may work but result in a personal dps loss.

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The only reason to not have trick up on cd is due to a phase shift or mech where the boss leaves or becomes invulnerable. Suiton should be used 9 sec or less before trick comes off cd since it has a 10 sec "hidden" buff. Even if you screw up and use a ninjutsu a little too late beforehand you still have Kassatsu and Ten Chi Jin to fall back on. If all 3 of these are on cd then you may need to give some thought as to better manage your ogcd's. As far as hitting the rear that shouldn't be an issue for any leveled ninja, however if ppl find it difficult use true north. Ninja has 2 "optional" slots since we don't need diversion and can go without bloodbath

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

At endgame, NIN can be pretty much be guaranteed in every raid comp while SAM/MNK fight over the remaining raid melee spot.

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Yes this is well known. Hence why they are op.

They are valuable because they are Naruto, and every party needs a Naruto in their midst.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

iwhat bother people that now a new meta did appear and them favorite is not inclued into it *shrugs*

*eat popcorn*

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What bothers me personaly is that people considering everythinh that is not part of this meta being a hot garbage. Its positively impossible to find any solid savage static playing blm no matter how good you are or how ready you are to learn and play optimaly. No one cares, not part of the meta, get out. Honestly it just completely ridiculous and unfair.

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Originally Posted by Gwaeron89

What bothers me personaly is that people considering everythinh that is not part of this meta being a hot garbage. Its positively impossible to find any solid savage static playing blm no matter how good you are or how ready you are to learn and play optimaly. No one cares, not part of the meta, get out. Honestly it just completely ridiculous and unfair.

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People who ONLY go by the meta are usually idiots because ANYONE should be able to clear content with any combo of classes. You can simulate numbers and look at charts all you want, in the end it always comes down to player skill. A good BLM or MNK is always going to be better than a mediocre RDM, NIN or SAM.