Standings of Black Mage, Red Mage, and Summoner

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Originally Posted by Cherub

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Interesting ideas. Obviously the easiest and most realistic one seems to be aetherflow fix. But I kinda get A feeling that they won't give us even that...
Also you should consider that implementing all changes you described will boost smn so much it'll became op. 2 party buffs? Big DPS numbers via fixed aetherflow and boosted r3 potency\r4 procs? Yeah...

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Originally Posted by Angry_Evil

Interesting ideas. Obviously the easiest and most realistic one seems to be aetherflow fix. But I kinda get A feeling that they won't give us even that...
Also you should consider that implementing all changes you described will boost smn so much it'll became op. 2 party buffs? Big DPS numbers via fixed aetherflow and boosted r3 potency\r4 procs? Yeah...

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I think mainly my version of the ruin change would boost the DPS probably WAY too much.
And yea, the aetherflow fix would be the most realistic one. But all we will get is probably just 10 potency + on each ruin or so.
I stand firmly with my opinion on Aetherpact though. Make it good or delete it, mentality.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

Or have UI decrease MP cost of Ice and Thunder spells by a certain amount.

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Would love to see this change. Although since we typically aren't hardcasting Thunders in AF, maybe the cost on those just needs to be tweaked down.

Only dealing with 50 stuff here, but it's a constant frustration now that I don't have the MP necessary for T3 right after B3 and need to wait a tick to do anything. Was never a problem when we would only ever hardcast T1. =/

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Originally Posted by Ethalio

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Except this is FF14, and the game clearly has a baseline for Thaumaturges being capable of healing magic. The reason it was removed wasn't a lore standpoint, but a class balance one, because having a high DPS class capable of party healing didn't work.

By your logic, Summoners shouldn't have access to a Raise type spell, but they do.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

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According to the lore, actually, Black Magic precedes thaumaturgy.
The latter appeared due to the old Belah'dian/Sil'dihan issue with the zombies- someone had to take care of the dead (ritualistic magic on the corpses so they wouldn't go on a zombie rampage like the one that destroyed Sil'Dih).

Black Magic is Mhachi- you have Void Magic, siphoning power/aether from the Void to channel magical implements/destructive spells, and Shantotto's version of it (that we use), which uses the aether surrounding us and our own aether combined (which is why lesser mages burned to death trying to channel Enochian fire) to fuel the ultimate destructive spells (she's always ranting about "arts of destruction").

I doubt any healing/raising abilities fit BLM thematically in the world of FF14.

If you want to fix BLM, all you have to do is decrease the cool down of triple cast to 30-45 seconds and put back the potency taken away.

RDM is fine and well rounded, it's just bursty and rips aggro because of it, their overall dps evens out. You see more performing well because the job isn't difficult to manage, and is very forgiving.

SMN needs a bit of AoE love, it's very clunky. I miss blizzard 2. They should add an aoe effect to ruin 2 so you can use that when there's 3+ targets.

BLM needs some extra utility/mobility, because they don't offer anything anymore, and are the most glued to the floor job in the game.

Not sure where the idea of mobility and RDM cross paths but that's not much of a thing.

Its true you get a gap closer and then a jump back out again. But those are mandatory, one way paths. You don't get to choose. Its not like you can say “Hmm I would like to be over there, zooop, nice” or “Oops, time to go – boing- whew”.

Its in-you-go, do your damage and out-you-go to start the looooong casting climb toward being able to do it again. And while you are doing that, [interrupted] you won't [interrupted] be moving [interrupted] and casting [interrupted] at all.

If anything RDM plays mostly like BLM in that you want to sit and cast. Being forced to move messes up everything.

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Originally Posted by Lucifael

Not sure where the idea of mobility and RDM cross paths but that's not much of a thing.

Its true you get a gap closer and then a jump back out again. But those are mandatory, one way paths. You don't get to choose. Its not like you can say “Hmm I would like to be over there, zooop, nice” or “Oops, time to go – boing- whew”.

Its in-you-go, do your damage and out-you-go to start the looooong casting climb toward being able to do it again. And while you are doing that, [interrupted] you won't [interrupted] be moving [interrupted] and casting [interrupted] at all.

If anything RDM plays mostly like BLM in that you want to sit and cast. Being forced to move messes up everything.

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People like to make the assumption that the 4 second interval you have the dualcast proc up is always the interval that the mechanic happens at. Sure it happens sometimes, the majority/all of the time? Absolutely not.

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Originally Posted by Lucifael

Not sure where the idea of mobility and RDM cross paths but that's not much of a thing.

Its true you get a gap closer and then a jump back out again. But those are mandatory, one way paths. You don't get to choose. Its not like you can say “Hmm I would like to be over there, zooop, nice” or “Oops, time to go – boing- whew”.

Its in-you-go, do your damage and out-you-go to start the looooong casting climb toward being able to do it again. And while you are doing that, [interrupted] you won't [interrupted] be moving [interrupted] and casting [interrupted] at all.

If anything RDM plays mostly like BLM in that you want to sit and cast. Being forced to move messes up everything.

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RDM literally have a swiftcast every other ability. There's your mobility.