#deletejumppotion - new/returning players should read this

There are a few ways to tell for sure if an individual used a jump potion. Two of the most obvious ones are:

--Full 260 Shire + weapon + 1 245 Filibuster Ring
--Receives Mapping Achievement upon reaching final boss

Jump potions do not give completion bonuses for dungeons. So if you look at other party members, see multiple 50s, 60s, or 70s for two, and one 60 for one, and there's a bonus message, chances are the one with a singular 60 jumped. Also, if it's an individual like tank or healer, they are probably unfamiliar with dungeon/boss mechanics, and that will be glaringly obvious compared to if the jumper is a DPS.

I highly doubt this tank was a bot. More than likely, they were just ignoring chat. Perhaps that sounds jaded, but maybe that's because a lot of people ignore chat, and ignore advice given, even when it's given in the most friendly of ways. This has been my experience with potion users and non-users. Can't help those who don't want to be (or refused to be) helped, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Synrin

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I don't think it's limited to just those who used potions. Bad players will be bad, potion or no potion. The fact that people complain about Royal Menagerie and demand that it be nerfed, even though every mechanic present in that fight has been used throughout this entire game, and in 70 levels they should have learned how to dodge basic AOEs but seemingly can't, is testament to that.

(Unrelated, but also: your sig makes me happy. ;_; SJ love. <3)

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

To be that person, the chat itself isn't entirely helpful. You ask a question, which he doesn't respond to, then it descends into talking about him as if he's not there and "trying to scare him" about future runs. If you had instead just left a quick message, explaining the benefits of shield oath, this would have been better. "Hey, quick tip! Shield oath has such and such benefit while in party :)" And then leave it alone.

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I agree with that and since the OP told the person to not touch the potion or "deinstall" the game (always thought it was uninstall but ok) , maybe he should take his own advice after we have read the very helpful chat messages they are so politely threw at the clearly new tank, trying to be funny?

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

(always thought it was uninstall but ok)

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Sorry my bad, corrected.

Edit: I do admit, I may of pulled the topic with the jump potions way to far from the main reason here. It doesnt change the fact that some player attitude is wrong. It doesnt also change the fact that post potion users are either returning players, new players and probably people who dont have time to play/lazy to level. In fact, our veteran/regular players know what they're doing, or atleast know how to communicate, while many new players reject help from the outside.
I also admit my first post isnt informativ as much. But if you guys read the following comments, Im sure you'll get a better idea of the situation. I perhaps didnt choose a wise title, I cant change it as well. The real problem yet exists (yes as many said,its not only potion users but still). I will remove my last sentence as well. I do not tend to start a flame war, nor I do expect any sympathy. I want to point out that being "nice" and "helpful" isnt always working. And afterwards people complain in chats why they get booted from the duty.

You guys had slated him before even giving him a chance to respond. As for SOME players who use jump potions, it was the same with FATE's in 2.0, POTD in 3.0 and now Jump potions in 4.0. If the player doesn't want to learn it will make no difference how they get to 70.

Also, what is the image supposed to show? All I see is him ignoring you lot whilst he holds hate with Sword Oath.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Also, what is the image supposed to show? All I see is him ignoring you lot whilst he holds hate with Sword Oath.

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I made the screenshot to late, far to late. He was in the stance the whole run. I also said this in previous posts, got lost probably. We had to deal with tanking trash mobs cause he didnt want to change to shield oath (for the whole dungeon). And Im gonna point this out again as well, I know this was easy low level content. Thats why I didnt votekick (+ the fact that waiting for a tank is horrible). Main thought here is what will happen in later engame dungeons and content.

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I also said this in previous posts, got lost probably

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Nah I did see you say that. But the image tells a different story as it totally contradicts it.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Nah I did see you say that. But the image tells a different story as it totally contradicts it.

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Ah yeah. Well he was able to hold the aggro of bosses. I dont think thats way to hard in low level dungeons... The only thing which annoyed me is that he didnt want to listen or respond. Ps4 player and no keyboard aside, he could of atleast write "ik" or switch to shield oath, instead of pulling non stop monster groups. edit: I added another note to the picture in the post.

Look, while I know it can certainly be frustrating there is something to consider here: This could simply be someone playing on console who, for them, this is their first MMO they've ever played. Hell, I don't know about you but every console game I've played online, you eventually end up with someone on your team who is drunk/high/doesn't care in the slightest when it comes to the actual objectives or gameplay. But beyond that, you just end up with folks that want to chill, play their way, and not talk to anyone.

This could very well just be someone who bought the game to play for fun like they would play any other game. And they couldn't care less that people are talking(and pay no attention to the chatbox as I don't either if I log onto some online shooter or something. I have other things to do). And even if they did look, they don't know what a 'tank' is because that term means nothing without the context of MMO terminology.

I am sorry you had to run into this, unfortunately not having the jump potions will only result in lost accounts. Someone who sees the road as too far and doesn't want to start at the beginning.

Some of the arguments are valid, but at the same time like someone said you can't make someone care. I agree this person is going to have a bad time later on down the road. They're going to get into content that people expect to get in and out of. He will pull and try to main tank but without being properly geared or knowing his skill-set, the boss will turn on the party and people will be a lot more harsh.

Not saying you were, a simple question like the first line is enough. When you use the potion you'd figure that person would want to learn more about their job and read tool-tips. Or maybe that's just me, hell I'm reading tool-tips now for my job while at work for something to learn.

Indeed, the console part makes it hard. I got the same backlash but in the end I realized the same thing I tell others. "Buy a keyboard", it's not that expensive to buy a USB keyboard + USB extender to reach your chair. If that's pushing the monthly $$ for you, then you need to reconsider a few other things.

I've had some very positive feedback though from people who used jump potions. I'm not saying for this example, but for others, it was a lot about how you talk to the person and what you're trying to say. There's a difference between "You got shield oath?" vs "omg, you use Tenacity for melds? Do you not know?! Did you not watch the great tanks of youtube and their 80 hour theory crafting!? It.has.math! What?! You think this is a game?!!" "Your opener is sooo not optimal."

Then again the person has to care in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

To be that person, the chat itself isn't entirely helpful. You ask a question, which he doesn't respond to, then it descends into talking about him as if he's not there and "trying to scare him" about future runs. If you had instead just left a quick message, explaining the benefits of shield oath, this would have been better. "Hey, quick tip! Shield oath has such and such benefit while in party :)" And then leave it alone.

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says the hypocrite that calls a new player snippy over a run in "old content" when they were rude to said new player. :)

"vets" are just as bad i've asked people repeatedly to throw up their enmity reducers as i see their aggro almost steal it from tanks. NA datacenters are infamous for lack of communication, and only care about "quick runs". we need to get out of the "must go fast" mentality and the "tome stones farm" mentality and wake up that realization that communication matters.