The Royal Menagerie (From a Healers standpoint)

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Originally Posted by Naemisa

There is one thing I'd like to change and that is the part where you have to spam your mouse button. I fail that more than 50% of the time :D I know you might think "omg lol how do you fail a simple button smash?"... Well I have arthritis and that means fast, repetitive movement causes my finger to get tired so I can't spam fast enough or the spamming hurts so much I have to stop and if the group can't do it with 1-3 tries I start failing the mechanic 100% of the time because I can't even try to spam the button anymore. If the timer was just 1 or 2 seconds longer I'd be able to do it, but now I just feel like I'm causing problems for the group on a mechanic that shouldn't be an issue at all.

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You don't have to only click your mouse button. You can hit any key really... Like keep hitting the space bar or something.

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Originally Posted by Naemisa

There is one thing I'd like to change and that is the part where you have to spam your mouse button. I fail that more than 50% of the time :D I know you might think "omg lol how do you fail a simple button smash?"... Well I have arthritis and that means fast, repetitive movement causes my finger to get tired so I can't spam fast enough or the spamming hurts so much I have to stop and if the group can't do it with 1-3 tries I start failing the mechanic 100% of the time because I can't even try to spam the button anymore. If the timer was just 1 or 2 seconds longer I'd be able to do it, but now I just feel like I'm causing problems for the group on a mechanic that shouldn't be an issue at all.

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My friend had recommended clicking both mouse buttons on your mouse hand and the space bar on your other hand together since it registers all of them for the progress bar. You can dramatically increase how quickly you fill the gauge by doing this. I went from having 2 seconds left in my progress for single mouse button smashing to around 4+ seconds usually. I hope this can help you succeed at this mechanic more often :)

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Originally Posted by Katryn

Question for fellow WHM: is it true cure 3 is good here? Is there a section of the fight I should be using that? I generally don't find need of it, but I've seen it mentioned in a couple threads so any insight would be welcome. Thanks!

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Cure 3's always been a pretty situational spell, and use of it is up to discretion. Ideally you'd like to avoid it since its not as efficient as other options, but it's very good at its super-burst potential. With Thin Air and WHM's current impressive MP sustain you certainly have a lot more room to fit it in or spam it, but it's not often something that approaches "necessary." When it comes to wipe recovery, though, it can shine pretty well.

If for any reason you think the burst of it is worth it to prevent potential death, go for it.

It can help for akh morns if both tanks happen to be low for whatever reason (raid recovering from other mistakes, healers dying, etc). It can help for stackup mechanics if there's incoming damage afterward and you want people to have a safety buffer that Medica II would take awhile for. If I happen to find myself far away from the stackup marker, I might Cure 3 the damage from a distance rather than spend the time running back and then starting a medica 2 - I'd rather save the time. I've even used it for healing two chains that decided to run off together while tanks were getting blasted too.

However, I find myself using it a fair bit for mistake recovery before something big. If 2-3 people are all closeby and manage to critical themselves 3 seconds before the boss was going to put them there to begin with, a fast (including swiftcasted) cure 3 can save all of them. In Susano EX if the entire raid eats a lightning they weren't planning to and are relatively stacked, I'll cure 3 it in the name of safety and stability and follow up accordingly.

Often times, my cure 3s aren't necessary if the other healer reacts accordingly, too - but in the heat of the moment I err on the side of caution and deal with the repercussions afterward. The difference in another healer reacting in 2 seconds or 4 seconds can easily be the difference between life and death.

Edit: I fully expect to have savage fights..."greatly encouraging" Thin Air + Cure 3 a fair bit~

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

Bad partys? You mean BAD battle! ...SE clearly DID an extreme/savage mode on MSQ! Why else most people cant clear it?! And whats that very stupid commend talking shit about me: only I do cause wipes?! You havent read my post at all, right? Im one of the FEW people that knows and dont ignore the machincs!!! -.- Youre probalby just one of the few people that got carried and died pretty early at tidelwave, watching the whole fight. <-< If you talk shit about me so do I about you! Bah, that stupid dragon battle makes me SO angry! Im normaly not like that! >o>

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That's the thing though, I've healed and dpsed it many times and at most we only wipe a few before clearing. XD

You make it sound like EVERYONE is struggling with this particular instance when really it's just the loud few.

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Originally Posted by Naemisa

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As someone else has mentioned, any key will work for that QTE. Perhaps try using both hands and splitting the button presses between your 8 fingers and 2 thumbs on your keyboard. It's what I do as a safety buffer (I have dyspraxia so have issues with co-ordination) to ensure I don't fail. When it's just clicking the single mouse button I am prone to failure due to my co-ordination getting the better of me, but just essentially smashing my fingers all over my keyboard has given me a 100% success rate.

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Originally Posted by bugmancer

You make it sound like EVERYONE is struggling with this particular instance when really it's just the loud few.

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And it's those loud few who ruin things for everyone who likes the challenge(or changes how course work in colleges...off-topic: breakfast class - yes, I went through culinary schooling - ended up starting an HOUR later due to two people who drove to school every morning, 15min drive for them, saying they couldn't arrive on time for the 6:50am start...I took the bus and train, across the city, leaving at 4:30am, and made it to class on time EVERY day)

But you need to be able to point out where the flaws and confusion is for players as there are some mechanics from old fights being seen here that players can fudge around in the original.

How many old hard mode fights do we just blunt force now from being overgeared? I'd honestly say basically all of them before SB. That's part of the issue here with players not knowing old mechanics.

I didn't consider that until last night as I helped an FC mate clear HM stuff so he could get his Thyrus. I had to actively explain the less obvious things in FC chat mid-fight as no one takes the time to explain anything because of the majority of players being so overgeared. Things like the damage down debuff on players in the gaols needimg esuna'd, or Garuda's two adds having different tethers and the green one needing to die first.

We just blunt force past those things in the old fights, while Shinryu murders with them.

I love the healing intensives fight. The same can be said about the last fight in the vault, I remember doing that as AST when they were in desperate need of a buff and it was exciting. I'm glad I'm not the only person that loves the thrill of it, I want more things like this.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

LOL! FUN...?! O-O This is the MOST frustrating and BAD designed fight EVER in this nice game! - Savage Battle in MSQ? What are they thinking? I never got SO extremly pissed and angry because of that cheap dragon, where 99% of people cant handly mechanics, even most are just recycles! >-> Not even Crap Steps of Fate's took me countless hours to try a complete! Most people cant even stay alive for DPS check round, or/and cant even press-spam the button's after that! People stay in water puddles if lighting atk coming, people NOT stay in water puddles if Fire atk comes. and so on! >_>

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Do you even savage?

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

LOL! FUN...?! O-O This is the MOST frustrating and BAD designed fight EVER in this nice game! - Savage Battle in MSQ? What are they thinking? I never got SO extremly pissed and angry because of that cheap dragon, where 99% of people cant handly mechanics, even most are just recycles! >-> Not even Crap Steps of Fate's took me countless hours to try a complete! Most people cant even stay alive for DPS check round, or/and cant even press-spam the button's after that!

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This fight isn't that hard. Casuals just want to blaze through everything with no challenge. As a whm I LOVE this fight. I don't do savage content either. People have to just put a tiny bit of effort in for once in the story.