I don't know how you scholar mains do it.

I actually im very fine with SCH, i have carried lots of SusEX or LAkshmiEx runs when the other healers dont know the fight very well.
It has sopme changes, yes.

Its just understanding them and knowing how to play them, for me Fey Union is a pretty good skill (it can have some changes ofc, but is working really good for me).

The only thing im sure of is that when Omega Savage comes out, Ill be running it with my static as a SCH.

PD: Dungeons wise I dont care much, its low lvl content, shouldnt be hard

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Originally Posted by Selova

I think it's cute that you think you've offended me or angered me in any way, you're giving yourself way too much credit. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that reddit link, all that thread does is backup my claims on how scholar is not fine. Please, keep going. This is highly entertaining.

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Actually the math points to the scholar not nearly being as bad as you point out. I don't think there are many scholars that feel the class is 100% ok. It however is not the garbage class many are making it out to be because of whatever reasons. A good many of the discussions I have had in game end up being "learn to play" discussions. In HW people relied on certain skills to pop out high healing when need and let the fairy do the rest while they just sat back and pew pew 'd. It just doesn't work that way now. However, you can still heal well and you can still pew pew too. Granted it's not pre bane nerf dot spread which what most folks seem pissed about.

Planning ahead for aether flow use is paramount, imo.

Maybe because every is telling them that they were lazy healers that got carried by their "op fairy".

If that was the case, why didn't everyone play SCH/SCH in pick-up for easy clear ?

I do agree that Scholars are not as bad off as some people make it seem. But it's raw healing potential is low. A Cure II from my WHM hits for 13k. A physick of my SCH for 7.3k. Regen hits just as much as Embrace does. Both have access to instant aoe heals. But to get tanks up quickly, WHM and AST by far outshines Scholar. They also have a regening bubble.

DPS wise, ST Scholar is not that bad off, Aoe damage however, they need changes, badly. That and Excog should not cost a stack and Strategem should last five seconds longer. That's it.

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Maybe because every is telling them that they were lazy healers that got carried by their "op fairy".

If that was the case, why didn't everyone play SCH/SCH in pick-up for easy clear ?

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Because the class was designed to compliment the whm maybe. shields don't stack for one. Why limit your potential. Furthermore raiding is another ball of wax and the fairy never solo healed that. Never said the fairy was op to begin with. however, I will stick by my comments some scholar chose to let the fairy be the workhorse of the class and now they can't adjust.

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I do agree that Scholars are not as bad off as some people make it seem. But it's raw healing potential is low. A Cure II from my WHM hits for 13k. A physick of my SCH for 7.3k. Regen hits just as much as Embrace does. Both have access to instant aoe heals. But to get tanks up quickly, WHM and AST by far outshines Scholar. They also have a regening bubble.

DPS wise, ST Scholar is not that bad off, Aoe damage however, they need changes, badly. That and Excog should not cost a stack and Strategem should last five seconds longer. That's it.

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i'm ok with excog requiring an aetherflow but it should be up until used then or have it's potency increased to the answer to a tank buster every 60 secs. Also, the scholar doesn't have a direct comparison to cure 2. comparing physick to it just isn't right. although because of the lack of cure 2 you could argue the physick potency could be a bit higher to compensate.

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Because the class was designed to compliment the whm maybe. shields don't stack for one. Why limit your potential. Furthermore raiding is another ball of wax and the fairy never solo healed that. Never said the fairy was op to begin with. however, I will stick by my comments some scholar chose to let the fairy be the workhorse of the class and now they can't adjust.

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Like how regen and holy spamming worked, like how aspected benefic and gravity spamming worked? Because the only difference was cleric stance. Even then on some pulls you couldn't stay cleric. I still let regen do the work in dungeons, always have. Difference being no cleric stance. Try doing that with a fairy and thats a no go.

Granted there are still times when you have to cure but overall its roughly the same as ever.. except for SCH. Cant comment on AST because I have not leveled it. All the fairy provided was the lack of need to switch cleric stance as frequently. The other healers however had big burst damage which I felt made up for it. Thats why you wanted WHM for dungeon speed runs imo. Now the other healers still have burst damage and no cleric stance.

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i'm ok with excog requiring an aetherflow but it should be up until used then or have it's potency increased to the answer to a tank buster every 60 secs. Also, the scholar doesn't have a direct comparison to cure 2. comparing physick to it just isn't right. although because of the lack of cure 2 you could argue the physick potency could be a bit higher to compensate.

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It is right because the point I am trying to demonstrate is raw healing. We have no cure II equivalent. 13k to 7k. Pets are free, but essentially they are the same heal as Regen for both other healers. (It's a bit more). It's useful to mention this, because it's a solid reason why it's harder to keep tanks up on bigger packs in dungeons than it is on both other healers. It's because their raw output is much greater. We do have three lustrates per minute, which you burn too very quickly.
Excog having a stack cost is ridiculous. It's not that much more potent than Lustrate, and it's not even guaranteed it will go off. You may as well just Lustrate basically.

But the main points that need to change, the one thing that I definitely want, is a spammable aoe move. A good one. SCH aoe DPS is terrible at the moment and it needs changing. Single target wise, I can live with what it brings, especially since Strategem is a thing. It needs better raw healing. Not by much, but it is needed. And Chain Strategem really needs those 5 extra seconds.

ive been raiding since 3.3. bottom line is the fairy still can't solo heal and I'm still telling you it wasn't op. If I'd let just my fairy and cohealer do everything, i doubt i wouldve cleared expert roulette and creator savage.

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ive been raiding since 3.3. bottom line is the fairy still can't solo heal and I'm still telling you it wasn't op. If I'd let just my fairy and cohealer do everything, i doubt i wouldve cleared expert roulette and creator savage.

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whatever makes you feel better... eos was one of a kind if you don't realize that you maybe just haven't used her right... and the only thing sch was healing in Alex was in some minor situation to keep up with the main healer after unavoidable aoe dmg or tankbusters. please don't try to get in a fight with me about eos... you would lose – I played Sch in creator as well and know what eos was capable of – schs main task was dpsing while being ready for an emergency – and the fact that schs can't do that anymore is the reason why so many are complaining bout the dot & fairy nerfs. truth is hurting I know : /