Enthusiastic Tanks

For the most part, I can "manage" big pulls if the tanks do their part - meaning rotating cooldowns, keeping aggro on everything so that I can focus my attention on the tank's HP rather than everyone elses', decent gear, etc - AND if the DPS is decent.

Problem is, once SOMEONE manages to clear a dungeon by doing big pulls and it is a fast enough clear, everyone deems it to be meta and mandatory/feasible regardless of peoples' skill and gear - resulting in clueless tanks going in pulling everything and not keeping aggro, sometimes meaning someone else dies before they do (usually me or a mage), and charging ahead with little to no thought given to the healer's mana. It's just like, "tis doable, you just gotta keep up lmao" pls dood I only have so many aetherflow stacks :/

Tanks being enthusiastic is okay, but please learn some self awareness (or like, awareness in general) before jumping onto every single mob you can reach without hitting a wall :(

I don't like it and I feel like whenever I see it the tank is rocking those STR accessories.

Sure Big Pulls are fine... But I prefer if someone asks first. I enjoy helping DPS down targets more then I enjoy spam healing through Big Pulls: It just feels better and it's more enjoyable. My heart also breaks a little every time I see a tank pull the first group, stop for a few seconds, and then run off just as the BLM has set down his Ley Lines.

I'll keep the tank alive, nobody is going to die (assuming the tank keep aggro and the DPS dodge the stuff), and I'll DPS as I can (Which I find to be a lot less in Stormblood Dungeons then it was in Heavensward dungeons) but it's not enjoyable for me and I don't like it - and I have yet to encounter a tank that actually cares when I voice this (Something I haven't bothered to keep doing) so I expect Expert roulette to just be a lukewarm or some-what negative experience for me - which is fine. It's 30 minutes out of my play time a day. I'll live.

I just feel like tanks are being incredibly selfish with this. I get it; they've been pressured to pull this way by dps and healers too. They've been advised to by other tanks. It's more fun for them and apparently (been told this by tank players) easier to hold hate this way. But they never stop to think, much less care, what they may be putting their healer through.

To me, this mass pulling crap is stressful, sucks my mp, and destroys my ability to help dps. In other words, it turns the dungeon into a fun sucking hell hole I'm just happy to get out of by the end. And it is also a big part of why AST is going on the back burner for me for awhile. WHM has a much easier time keeping up with the healing needed now, And I can still get some dps out on the pulls.

To respond to OP ( I got a little off track there ;P). How do I deal with it? I just do my best to keep them alive. Whether it means burning all my cds and much of my mp, I just do it. But it's not fun, and I hate it. I don't say anything, cause the last thing I need after dealing with the stress of healing that mess, is a tank pissing me off with snarky "too fast for you :)" or "can't keep up?" comments.

Also, DRKs do seem to be a bit easier to heal mostly. Which is very strange.

Tank lastnight was pulling everything he could in one big pull basically between bosses. I kept having to blow everything I have and still just barely kept him alive. Our dps was a new bard and RDM who were struggling to keep up with things. After the pull was downed the tank would push sprint and rush into the boss fight.

I ended up logging after the dungeon, completely unenjoyable run.

Now I am AST and maybe part of it is in 4mans my heals are just not as strong as a WHM but I seriously doubt it should be a problem.

As a tank main I like doing big pulls because I want to just go in a dungeon beat it quick and jump into another one. After my first pull I can usually tell how our dos is and how our healer is. If any of the heals or dps is lacking I switch to smaller pulls. I also use both vit and str sets. vit got big pulls and str for bosses. Right now with str accessories I'm pulling about 3k dps. A few nights ago I ran into this awesome white mage. I pulled 3 groups in a lv 70 dungeon and the white mage was able to do over 4k dps while keeping me alive.

I've had no issue healing tanks through big pulls. And most of the tanks I have pull everything possible. Only a rare few don't.

I also get DPS in because I watch their cooldowns, utilize stuns and gauge how fast their health is dropping.

There is one healer in my FC that complains about these tanks but I can't sympathize with him.

I don't mind have to focus on just healing during large pulls. Even as a scholar I can easily keep people up and add some dps if the tank is good. Most tanks just think they are auxiliary dps so far in my experience and that I'm there for their sole enjoyment. Been blacklisting a lot of tanks recently. Conversely, I've been getting way more decent to really good tanks the last few days. Hope the trend continues. The last tank I blacklisted called me names and told me cooldowns were for wimps and gay people(derogatory term of course). So he got black listed and reported.

All for tanks learning their limits and helping me learn mine. But in the end this is a game and we all need to be having some fun.

My last post did it seem like I was complaining too much. I should have also mentioned I have had a couple awesome tanks who mass pulled but managed it so well that healing them was a cake walk. Time my star explosion keep regen on and an heal after 2-3 dps spells.

In the end it is really good players vs. bad ones. Learning ones are perfectly fine also. We all need to learn.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

Conversely, I will play Healer Hand of God, and you can either do reasonable pulls that aren't more stressful than some Savage raids, or kick me and wait for a new healer to decide to queue In Progress.

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Careful about power trips. Tanks can also play this game, you can either heal what the tank pulls or let him wipe the party until kicked.

Further, you don't actually need a healer to do expert. They can hold you there if they want to. That's what gets me. If I pull 1 group at a time, I don't need the healer at all. Healers are a waste of a slot if the pulls aren't big, esp if they don't dps

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Originally Posted by PK_THUNER

As a tank main I like doing big pulls because I want to just go in a dungeon beat it quick and jump into another one. After my first pull I can usually tell how our dos is and how our healer is. If any of the heals or dps is lacking I switch to smaller pulls. I also use both vit and str sets. vit got big pulls and str for bosses. Right now with str accessories I'm pulling about 3k dps. A few nights ago I ran into this awesome white mage. I pulled 3 groups in a lv 70 dungeon and the white mage was able to do over 4k dps while keeping me alive.

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Same here, but i never try those 290 accesories