Suggestion: Give SCH an aoe heal (Medicia/Helios)

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Originally Posted by Averax

Your fairy has pseudo medica 2 and you have indomitability and emergency tactics+succor.

Not to mention, with a cohealer, succor spam is fine. It doesn't do a lot of raw healing, but raw healing isn't the scholar's niche, mitigation is, and the galvanize from the succor will absorb some damage to make your cohealer's medica/helios spam more efficient so they're not playing tug of war with the health bars.

As a scholar, you need to ditch the mentality that you are a throughput healer, because you aren't. You're good at preventing damage, not restoring it.

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This may be true yes, but you also need to take in consideration...some times we have to be. There are plenty of times, we have to be not just the preventative but the reactionary. Whether its because our co-healer is not doing their job, or its gon to hell in a hand basket.... if i took the mentality of oh i just prevention....there would be a lot more fail rans and wipes.

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Originally Posted by Abaigeal

This may be true yes, but you also need to take in consideration...some times we have to be. There are plenty of times, we have to be not just the preventative but the reactionary. Whether its because our co-healer is not doing their job, or its gon to hell in a hand basket.... if i took the mentality of oh i just prevention....there would be a lot more fail rans and wipes.

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If your cohealer isn't doing their job, that isn't your fault, that isn't your problem, and it does not mean that you must shoulder all their responsibility as well as your own. You are not obligated to carry a crappy healer. I don't expect anyone to be able to solo heal an encounter designed for two healers (sure, a lot of the time it works out, but i never expect miracles from people), and if one of them isn't pulling their weight i don't expect everyone to just deal with it to avoid hurting their feelings.

Getting stuck with cruddy cohealers sometimes isn't a good enough excuse to warrant further healer homogenization. Especially when you don't have to pug things and can go in with a pre-made.

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Originally Posted by Averax

Your fairy has pseudo medica 2 and you have indomitability and emergency tactics+succor.

Not to mention, with a cohealer, succor spam is fine. It doesn't do a lot of raw healing, but raw healing isn't the scholar's niche, mitigation is, and the galvanize from the succor will absorb some damage to make your cohealer's medica/helios spam more efficient so they're not playing tug of war with the health bars.

As a scholar, you need to ditch the mentality that you are a throughput healer, because you aren't. You're good at preventing damage, not restoring it.

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Except Scholar isn't good at mitigating damage in comparison to AST.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Maybe not 5s, 10-15 would certainly save us a hell of a lot of trouble; not only with aoe healing but with overeager, clueless dungeon tanks :)
Our other aoe skills are fine imho, we don't need an "on-demand" spammable aoe heal, our planned aoe heals and "niche"-y healing tools are a core part of SCH's identity... I STILL defend that most of those skills could use (read: NEED) some tweaking, but aoe is, for the most part, okay.

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Yeah... I was mostly suggesting that because of the absurd power creep from AST. SCH AOE healing is definitely 'good enough' to clear content.

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Originally Posted by Esrain

I'd just like to chime in, is that the reason I ended up switching to astrologian, is because if players are happy the way scholar aoe heals currently are, there's little incentive for Square Enix to update scholars aoe healing to be more in line with astrologian.

I feel that astrologian is "just right" at the moment and little or nothing about it should be changed.

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Except SCH's AoE healing shouldn't need to be brought up to AST's. SCH definately has problems right now, but the AoE healing isn't one of them (Other than possibly the MP cost on Succor, now with the Aetherflow nerf), and the primary problem in this comparison is that AST is just currently overtuned, and honestly something of a flawed design to begin with.

WHM is the pure throughput healer.
SCH is the mitigation healer.
AST was designed to be the hybrid, able to do both but not quite as well as WHM or SCH, plus RNG buffs.

Unfortunately, RNG buffs is a terribly flawed mechanic, and is only really worth bringing when it has the potential for crazy numbers like the current Balance, so almost no one seriously played it on release. Square responded by buffing every aspect of the job (the healing throughput, the mitigation, and the buffs), so now the "hybrid" class is in this weird place where it heals stronger than the "pure healer" and mitigates better than the "mitigation healer" on top of the insanity that is Balance.

It's great that AST feels good to play, but that's honestly not something that's really sustainable. The hybrid class should not be better than both of the other classes at what they ostensibly specialize in. The fact is that it's very design as the hybrid class rather than having a fleshed out identity of it's own means that it's balance is likely completely binary, with "too weak to use" on one side, and "overwhelming" on the other. This is helped even less by SE apparently getting lazy in it's initial design and just copying most of WHM's abilities.

AST is a broken monster. You shouldn't strive to be like them.

If you can't aoe heal with the sch tool kit i really don't know what to say besides play the other two classes that are more straight forward I guess.

Rouse + plus fairy aoe + indom all at once is a massive amount of aoe healing that's 0 mp cost with no cast times

Heck with a complementary healer you don't even need to indom a good chunk of the time. Medica 2 and roused fairy aoe heal together gets through a lot of stuff on their own

To use susanoo tripple lightning for an example, ast or whm do their medica 2, then a aoe heal while I do fairy aoe heal and I dont need to help the rest of the thing. If people happen to dip low after the second shock I'll just toss out a quick indom and go back to my business

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Originally Posted by Esrain

I respectfully disagree, ast is just right at the moment. If ast is really good, then its the other healers that need to be bumped up to Ast level.

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AST seriously IS a broken monster. they already buffed WHM's cures, and AST is still outdoing them. constantly buffing and no nerfing will just lead to headaches.

With succor, indom and whispering dawn, we really have plenty.

What SCH actually needs is a decent non-aetherflow single target heal...

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Originally Posted by Esrain

I respectfully disagree, ast is just right at the moment. If ast is really good, then its the other healers that need to be bumped up to Ast level.

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Actually, no. In the case of AST, they're actually fundamentally broken.
250% barriers? Healing on the level of. WHM? Buffing beyond anyone could ever dream of? It has a problem, and buffs to other healers will just make content too easy.