Really afraid SE is going to think things are fine because of the amount of WHM/SCHs

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Originally Posted by Shai

Still ... I haven't thought of a viable way to solo heal Susano-o on Scholar yet.
There just isn't enough Indom to go around through all the raid wide damage.

Mind you, I'm not saying it can't be done. I just haven't imagined a way to do it myself yet.
I would be impressed if someone could do this with our current gear.

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Those 2 fights are designed that if nobody fucks up there's little to nothing to heal except those AoE that the boss sometimes cast. Healers are there to cover the mistakes in this fights, there aren't many "healing checks".

when people say sch is fine i would like to point out that now it dps like the other two healers but doesnt have other mechanics to deal with whm has ogcds and needs to pay more attention to healing due to no fairy ast has cards to deal with before sch had a slightly more complicated dps rotation to keep it involved
only reason im still playing sch is i havent hit 70 on whm or ast yet

I think many people who were main WHM / SCH until now have gone through SB MSQ in those jobs simply because that was our main, our retainers are leveled that way, so we had little real choice but go that way.

But myself for example, now that I have hit WHM 70? As soon as I am done leveling my DoH/DoL (because that is my true main XD) ... I will be leveling AST to 70 and say bye-bye to WHM til the lily / gutting mess is fixed. And in the meantime run roulette on WHM simply to get the tomes to gear up and be ready for AST 70 then.

So it is not surprising that you see a lot of WHM / SCH still right now in MSQ/Expert... because many simply haven't leveled their (tentative) new mains yet.

And some might simply stick with WHM / SCH for a while not because they LIKE it but because they are gritting their teeth and waiting for 4.1 to hopefully fix the mess we were delivered.

Current play numbers of jobs are not indicative of actual enjoyment of jobs and if people will stick with them...

The worry is a warranted one but the people have spoken. All three of the global regions, JP, NA, EU, have agreed that White Mage and Scholar should see some love as, even though they can get through current end-game, they are not exactly in a good spot.

Come the actual raid we will see what is what, and SE will have no choice to make changes regardless.

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Originally Posted by Shai

I'd also like to point out to everyone who says they feel helpless in dungeons, there is a massive amount of terrible tanking going on right now. This happened at the beginning of Heavensward, too. Too many tanks are trying to be "HW Tanks" and are stuck in their own "class identity" and can't adapt to their new skills and the new content. That along with being under-geared as they try to level (which could be your problem, too) creates a lot of scenarios where they get hit like trucks and it's hard to keep up with heals and they blame you, naturally.

I've run every dungeon on Scholar in the game and I never feel helpless. Do I feel bored that I can't DPS as much as before? Yes. Do I feel like I can't keep the tank alive? Only if they don't use cool downs and run the entire dungeon pulling everything they can in their DPS stance. That's on them.

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Talked with a friend who mains healer and it turns out my item level was low for that dungeon. Which makes sense I suppose since I leveled RDM to 70 before SCH.

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Originally Posted by AmelieR

Similiar case with Sacred Soil. Why waste an Aetherflow stack on it for just 10% reduction when Indomitability (+ Succor maybe) is much stronger and you have to cast it anyway? SCH shields almost aren't worth it anymore. We're slowly moving away from being a proactive healer to an reactive one - with inferior tools.

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When you have low level gear and you take high aoe damage, mitigation is always stronger than raw heal because it prevents you from dying.
But, that only works on savage content and maybe some extreme primals at their release.
Otherwise yes, for dungeons and stuff, it's better to spend that AF stack on Indom.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

AST really is screwing with the identity and strengths of the two other healers.
Shields better than SCH, heals just as good as WHM. It's becoming more of a monster than SCH ever was.

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It's doomed to either overshadow the other healers or be too darn weak. Until they redesign it, Ast is going to be a nightmare that'll always be in an impossible spot.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

It's doomed to either overshadow the other healers or be too darn weak. Until they redesign it, Ast is going to be a nightmare that'll always be in an impossible spot.

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RDM proves that they can make interesting and unique jobs. I'll never understand why they decided to make Astro a mix of the two existing healers.

This would involve them having people within the team that both understood the healers to progression standard and had a vested interest in making them as good as they can be.

IMO the class team don't have as good as grasp of the game as one would expect. It seems to be a bunch of guys who barely play the game throwing ideas at a wall and seeing what sticks. Sometimes they get it very right (RDM is a great example of this) but over the last few years they've generally gotten it rather wrong more often than not. So many of the blunders they've made were obvious to anyone who actively played those jobs at a progression standard. The ongoing saga with tank stats is a great example of this, as is the way the SMN nerfs completely axed SCH's gameplay in 4 man content. I could go on and on with abilities and issues over the last 2 years where it just takes one glance at a tooltip to know that it's not going to work.

Yoshida needs to suck it up and consider hiring a couple of choice people out of the JP raiding scene to inject a bit of common sense and fresh blood into the team imo. It worked wonders for Blizzard during WoW's early days.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

RDM proves that they can make interesting and unique jobs. I'll never understand why they decided to make Astro a mix of the two existing healers.

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It's not like they can't make unique healers. Look at PvP AST with their Abridge mechanic and permanent Synastry.