You healers need to stop

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

* Flame shield activated*

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That's interesting, because as one of those White mage's that dodge damage, keep everyone alive and out damage you DPS, still with some MP to raise you from that one-shot area skill you failed to dodge, I don't see how its possible to run out of MP, I mean you get enough back to basically spam Cure forever.

Shouldn't we be talking about you DPS that like to stand in every area skill that the enemy throws at you...

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

You healers need to stop

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You don't pay my sub!

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

You healers need to stop eating all those cupcakes! Think about the carb intake!

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You don't pay for my cupcakes!

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

Son, you just opened up the gates of hell, and hell is coming I assure you.

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Hells Open am I right? c:

I just did the 61 dungeon and it was like, no prob. O__o Not really sure what the issue is here; I didn't see any pulls or bosses that really would give a lot of trouble even if the healer wasn't a veteran like I am.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

You do bring up another point though. If you are pulling nonstop...are you waiting for your own cooldowns or are you ignoring them and expecting us to save you with ours?

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To expand on this: if you're taking so much damage as a tank, and healers are having to spam heal you to keep you alive because you continuously charge forward like a rabid bull, are you not only not waiting for your own defensive cooldowns but for your healer's MP as well? AST MP management has suffered quite a bit with SB changes because Lucid Dreaming has a longer cooldown compared to our previous Luminiferous Aether (and to me, personally, it doesn't feel as strong as LA was), and I have had several tanks chain pull with no cooldowns, resulting in me having to actually SPAM Benefic II on them (and I don't get a chance to DPS at all), and what do they do before (not AFTER) the last mob dies (yes, they continue charging forward with half-dead mobs still trailing after them)? Pull even more, and here I am sitting at half-mana or less. It's nothing I can't adjust to, since I am pretty good at AST and personal MP management, and I've gotten in the habit of holding on to Ewers for myself, but I wouldn't expect the average DF healer to be able to keep up with such play.

It also doesn't help a lot of them fail to sufficiently aggro the packs as they pull them, so anytime I toss out a heal on them, the mobs turn around and decide to come after me. Mass pulling is fine, but don't do it if you can't properly manage your cooldowns, or even sufficiently establish hate on the packs you're pulling.

Tanks should take care to pay attention to their party member's MP/TP. It won't kill you to wait a couple seconds before chain-pulling 3 packs to allow your healers to regain some resources. Because without them, how do you expect them to heal you? Just going to throw that out there.

With regards to these squishy tanks, just a friendly reminder that we're all back to leveling now. We no longer outgear content by 20+ ilvls, so we can't do like we were doing at the end of Heavensward and pull everything, using only one or no defensive cooldowns. Things hit harder now because we don't have those extra ilvls as padding, and this was the same back in Heavensward when those leveling dungeons came out (so these mobs hitting like a truck isn't exactly a new concept). Anecdotal, I know, but my experience with a lot of DF tanks is that they're still in the End-of-Heavensward mindset where they think they can pull everything, and use next to no mitigation for it. And of course, when they die, they come here and blame healers for their lack of defensive cooldown usage. We are not gods. We cannot save you if you choose not to use your defensive toolkit.

Plus, tank play has changed quite a bit (I know DRK and WAR both got hit super hard by the SB changes, where as PLD has seemed to only benefit from them), so everyone needs to take time to consider that as well.

No, healers NEED to do DPS. A healer that doesn't DPS is a worthless healer.
However, tanks should try to wait a few seconds before each pull so WHM for example can have their mana back. Trust me, its much faster that way. If they don't learn how to DPS and manage mana in general, nobody wants them in their raid groups and such.

And people wonder why no one wants to play healers ....

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Originally Posted by Xx-ReiN-xX

If some trash mobs is downing the whole party below 20%, i'm assuming some dps can't dodge stuffs? So let's blame the healer?

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Or the tank is pulling way more than they should

bring back cleric stance and make it PvE maps ONLY! Done...!