4.0 MCH is Weak

mch was literally weak for the better part of 85% of heavensward the only reason to bring it in during a progression was its utility and now brd has that plus better dmg. and i've main mch for pretty much all of HEavensward it was terrible. i'm already working on another class as well as getting tombs and gear ready for it while my mch is at 70

MCH FT problem has been solved.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._possibly_all/

Anyone able to read Japanese to know if any machinists from their forums are feeling the same way/ are they having a discussion about the issue as well? Hoping they feel the same way and are also being vocal so Yoshi/Dev team makes sure to do some good adjustments in the first balance patch before Omega Savage.

Yes I can understand intermediate Japanese and there are upset people. From what I saw, a lot of complaining about ovethearing not being worth doing at 10%.

Honestly everything about the overheat mechanic seems convoluted. The punishment for messing up your gauge is too severe and not worth bringing to a raid progression or otherwise.

I still think the gauge would work better if Overheat was something you had to manually activate for the buff - maybe rename it to Overdrive or something?

Couple that with a 20% boost and maybe a longer Gauss Barrel cooldown afterward, and then you have something you can sit on with Wildfire for those intense burst points. I don't know, I'm spitballing - the point is Overheating is rarely worth the bother.

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1. The old MCH was nearly perfect (except that ugly GB). You have to cast, but you re still very agile, because of your ammunition, procs and off-GCDs. MCH was MEANT to be some kind of "half-caster". Nothing wrong with that. You have ONE Buff, ONE DoT and your procs. And that was ok. I dont know ANY MCH who complained about the cast-times. Removing it, was a bad idea.

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When i did get the old gauss canon, i was so taken aback by the cast times and loss of mobility that during a while i was very tempted to drop this job. In the end i did kinda get used to it before that, but at the same period, doing some research on the forums to see what people were thinking of it, i found quite some players saying that they did in fact drop it. Same for bards with the same issue. Today when some boss was aoing like crazy, i sure was glad that i didn't have these annoying cast times anymore.

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2. The new MCH doesnt make ANY sense. 3 Ammunition instead of 5. Did MCH forgot how to get 5 bullets? Are the new Stormblood-Guns smaller? Additionally, they can all OVERHEAT now! WTF? Whats happening??? Some new skills are so dumb. You can create holographic screens, but its called "Barrel Stabelizer"... ??? Your heated skills are like "lets summon 8 oversized bullets in mid air" and "look, I got two laser satelites now". Sure, it looks fancy, but its still dumb. Oh, and Wildfire is also reduced to 10 seconds. And to get into Heated or even Overheat is very hard, especially when you try to use your ammunition for better combos. Quick-Reload decrease your Heat by 10. Thats great >: (

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If you look carefully at the holographic screens you will see the gauss canon on it, it is a process that stabilize the heat where it is the most convenient. For my part i dont see what's so dumb about this skill or the others since MCH was never meant to be a pure firearm job, but one based around technology. Personnal tastes aside, the 3 ammunitions have a reduced cooldown, so you have one more of them per minute, but the greatest thing about all these heat mechanics is that you dont have annoying long series of non-procing shots anymore. Now i have 3 at most before using something else if i dont want to overheat, with the old MCH i could quite often go 8 shots straight asking myself "wtf, is the proc chance really 50% ? If i play heads or tails can i really have 8 heads in a row so often ?". Thanfully it is more varied now.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

I'm just going to tell you that any judgement of a classes DPS before max level isn't exactly sound judgement

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...Which is why I began my post by saying that this thread pushed me over the edge, yes.

I also saw the most recent DPS parsing list where MCH is dead last (behind BRD even) which also didn't instill any additional faith in it.

Keep playing MCH if u really like the class, I am pretty sure mch 're going to get buff in future. It's just the matter of when ><

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Originally Posted by Jilliebeans

Keep playing MCH if u really like the class, I am pretty sure mch 're going to get buff in future. It's just the matter of when ><

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I feel as though I like the idea of the class more than the actual execution.

Not thrilled about the notion of playing "keep the heat meter happy" or being cripplingly punished...