Do you think will get 5 new skills in sb if so will we eventally have to many?

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Yes, bec.

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I see many areas where they can combine dps abilities. But for tanks or healers if u combine a df cool down to me that's losing a df cool down no matter how good it is. Same with heals they combine heals that's one heal lost. It's very worrisome, drk pali needs everything they have.

I'm personally guessing there'll be three, but I'm much more interested in how abilities will get squashed. Some of the DPS spells are pretty easy. Thunder I, II, and III get turned into just Thunder, with traits that alter the potency and add on the additional effects of later tiers. Stone and Ruin can get the same treatment. The Aero, Blizzard, and Fire lines can be split into Spell and Spellga, for the single and AoE flavors. The one issue I'd see arising is that MP cost will need to be adjusted downward, to prevent not-BLM from burning all their resources from what will amount to Spell III spam(or give us some readily craftable ethers that kick like a mule to allow major MP sustain).

Non-magic ones are the trickier part, since so much of it involves unique abilities you need to keep ready for emergencies, for combos, or OGCD weaving. Some combos could probably be turned into an adaptive thing where in addition to the specific action hotkeys you can also set a chain button that automatically is ready to use the next part of the combo when pressed again(and if you want to get really fancy could be set up to only do it when a proc kicks in). Damage stuff can be mingled a bit. Like, I can see doing something like taking Wildfire and making it a trait that gives a smaller potency boost, so that the overall damage ends up mathing out the same over time. Spineshatter Dive could become a trait of Jump, acting as a buff that regenerates after 60 seconds and makes the next Jump a freebie that doesn't put it on cooldown. The junk skills like Feint and Keen Flurry can be thrown out entirely with no replacement, or if they have desired applications in PvP, turn them into PvP-only skills.

I think some of the other general stuff needs adjusting to the levels you get it. In particular, all tanks should have their tanking stance by Lv18. I don't play tank jobs, but even I can see how absurd it can get during some level ranges for them. This would also open the door for something else I've come to love in other games the last few years; letting players use all learned spells/skills no matter what level they're synced to for such-and-such content. Biggest problem in XIV right now with something like that is that tanks would have a lot of trouble keeping up with everything the pt can dish out. On a more personal note, CNJ/WHM wants Shroud of Saints at 18, since it has the most problems with MP, compounded by having its main tool for refresh so far down the line. The enmity effect could become a Lv38 trait, if needed. Or again, roll out much better ethers.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Some examples I can think of for DRG:

-Remove Disembowel's Piercing Resistance Debuff

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Then bards do less damage.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Some examples I can think of for DRG:

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Dragoon dies at raid level if you remove Disembowel's piercing. That basically means all it offers for utility is Battle Litany, which doesn't come remotely close to making up the difference of a Summoner's DPS. You'd be better off merging the effect of Phlebotomize in this scenario or just ditch Piercing Talon. I also suspect we'll lose Mercy Stroke. So that frees up a slot.

If the base skill slot changes to the combo one when triggered, we will have one less slot to use. System used somewhere else. More combo from same base, you continue to slot them as we do now.

I would like to add one thing to this topic. Each job as about 5 or 6 PVP actions as well.

Well too bad for you, they're removing Cross-Class skills in 4.0 anyway, so your point is moot lol

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Dragoon dies at raid level if you remove Disembowel's piercing. That basically means all it offers for utility is Battle Litany, which doesn't come remotely close to making up the difference of a Summoner's DPS. You'd be better off merging the effect of Phlebotomize in this scenario or just ditch Piercing Talon. I also suspect we'll lose Mercy Stroke. So that frees up a slot.

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Which is why they would buff up their potencies to make up for it.


Yoshi said he would get rid of things that debuff the mob to enhance damage and replace with self buffs or generic Vuln ups.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I see many areas where they can combine dps abilities. But for tanks or healers if u combine a df cool down to me that's losing a df cool down no matter how good it is. Same with heals they combine heals that's one heal lost. It's very worrisome, drk pali needs everything they have.

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Don't worry too much, just like DPS jobs they will change your precious tank and healer jobs in a way that they see fit. Agree or disagree, it's probably a bit too late for the changes that are coming.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Don't worry too much, just like DPS jobs they will change your precious tank and healer jobs in a way that they see fit. Agree or disagree, it's probably a bit too late for the changes that are coming.

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Thats truely sad If i lose one defensive cooldown im gona be pissed off you need them all to tank witout tank stance on. But your right nobody asked for wm and we got that bs so Im sure some stuff is gona piss people off for sure