Devs! While you're at it, unlock hairstyles and race starting sets too!

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Originally Posted by Naunet

A face (and to an extent, voice) is not aesthetics. It's genetics. Hairstyles though, yes, are aesthetic.



Extending an argument out to absurdity is not a good way to have a debate.

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Its not really a debate though. You think anything thats not the race itself shouldn't be bound to a race, and lore or dev design isnt enough to make you change your mind.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I think they will drawn the line at racial starter sets. Yoshi P already said while they would look to adapt some racially specific haircuts across to other races, they wouldn't do it with all. Hempen sets don't carry much racial aesthetic. However if you start sharing racial Aesthetics with all races it starts to water down the racial identities that actually exist in game and turn it all into one uncharacteristic blob which is bad for world building and immersion in a narrative driven game.

Simply put, they are going to draw the line some where to insure it doesn't negatively effect racial aesthetics and if pushed to make a choice between opening up more or opening up nothing they would probably go for nothing for the sake of world design.

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The excuse we got about preserving some racial aesthetics rings hollow to me. Mainly because they already totally blew it on that front in the biggest way possible.

http://i.imgur.com/APVrGhN.jpg
In FFXI, face and hair were tied together, and the most popular face for mithra was face 6. It should look familiar.
http://i.imgur.com/AHWOZef.png
It's been in FFXIV since the beginning of 1.0 and used in promotional artwork for 2.0. I may be biased, since it was my hairstyle in FFXI and 1.0 and 2.0 and most of 3.0 until about a year ago, but I would say that it's the most iconic hairstyle in Final Fantasy MMO history. Even if you don't think so, you can probably agree that it is at least a very unique hairstyle.

But SE apparently didn't think it was part of the Final Fantasy catgirl aesthetic, despite a decade of being the epitome of exactly that. And I don't even remember seeing any other races asking to have that specific hairstyle.


http://i.imgur.com/vNoitGX.jpg

Unforgivable.


So, I may be in favor of giving everyone any hair at least partly out of spite. My race specific hair was taken, so why should anyone else get to keep theirs?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

In that case, theres no arcane magic stopping people from using contacts, or having facepaint from other races, or plastic surgery horns, or ears, or any of the other racial features. Might as well just make every racial aspect a glamour item and only have Hyurs.

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This argument is both self defeating and illogical. There is nothing stopping others races borrowing aesthetics from different cultures. Clothing and hairstyle simply have a greater significance to where they originated. Attempting to include actual physical features like horns or ears makes no sense. Translate that to its real life equivalent and... well, I doubt we need to go further on its absurdity. On the other hand, the same cannot be said of clothing or hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This argument is both self defeating and illogical. There is nothing stopping others races borrowing aesthetics from different cultures. Clothing and hairstyle simply have a greater significance to where they originated. Attempting to include actual physical features like horns or ears makes no sense. Translate that to its real life equivalent and... well, I doubt we need to go further on its absurdity. On the other hand, the same cannot be said of clothing or hairstyles.

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Except this very same forum threw a fit over the native american like garb.

The "theres no arcane magic" excuse is in itself ridiculous, therefore, any other excuse is valid :P We have very little in this game that sets races apart as it is. I think they should add more, not take away what we have. and people get plastic surgery or wear contacts with different pupil effects all the time. I also see tons of cat/dog ear hairbands and tails.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Except this very same forum threw a fit over the native american like garb.

The "theres no arcane magic" excuse is in itself ridiculous, therefore, any other excuse is valid :P We have very little in this game that sets races apart as it is. I think they should add more, not take away what we have. and people get plastic surgery or wear contacts with different pupil effects all the time. I also see tons of cat/dog ear hairbands and tails.

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Actually, tumblr did. This forum basically slammed the person complaining about that outfit and near virtually vilified her. In fact, I've never seen it so united against one topic.

But your rebuttal isn't a comparison for the reasons stated. Looking to real life equivalents, we see different cultures borrow clothing and hairstyle choices constantly. Those are not unique attributes because we all wear clothes and have hair. Therefore, we can, and do, change our aesthetic often based only on preference. Some people may find it offensive or whine ala the native american garb but that doesn't stop us from doing it. Physical characteristics differ. I don't care one way or another about race locking some gear but let's not pretend it's some big deal.

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Originally Posted by Sil3ntxR3qui3m

Hairstyles I can understand, not so sure about the race starting sets though. Those are heavy into lore, at least the Au Ra versions (my hubby bought the lore book). I don't know if a quest would do it justice.

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Is there lore behind a Miqote bursting into flames upon putting on Elezen inspired clothing?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Except this very same forum threw a fit over the native american like garb.

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No that lady threw a fit and made a topic. What happened when the patch released? Nothing. No complaints. Everyone lived on normally.

And I'm sure if haircuts and styles were unlocked it would be the exact same as then. They'll be unlocked, people will get upset, patch will release, they stay subbed, everyone will be quiet.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...rUkYpGXZmWm8b8

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why do some people believe that everything has to be accessible to everybody? There is absolutely nothing wrong with some gear or hairstyles being exclusive to certain races. This, too, applies to gender based limitations. There needs to be some perks to choosing a particular race over the others; preferably limited to cosmetics only.

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Well, we already have size/appearance difference to make thing unique. I don't see you being able to buy another races' clothing later in the game much of a problem.

I mean whatevee gets me closer to Lalaqote really.

I can understand them locking some things, and I'll even buy that clothes need to be segmented. I just really like that torn sash with the spikes.

I mean, hell, we can already dress up as Gnath and Vundu.